The What If…? Episode 3 Review

hey hey hey people out there in live land how we doing tonight something like shock here with the podcast of love here people no i’m just joking not the love you know we know what we need but anyways anyways welcome to the mcu’s bleeding edge tonight folks here out there and the amazing youtube restream twitch wherever you guys are watching from thank you for coming on by stopping by and checking us out we appreciate y’all we have a wonderful cast tonight to talk about the what if episode three that we’ll be talking about tonight uh we have of course a couple of veterans that are with us of course we have the awesome mr jeff sloboda here with us uh my co-host and master uh thespian i would like to call it the mcu and then of course we have arch from podcasted champions back with us too awesome to have you uh thanks for coming on by arch you have anything you like to say sir i don’t know happy to be back love talking to you guys so i’m sure we’ll get to some plugs and stuff later but let’s get to it awesome awesome and we have returning finally thank you god for the great perry our other co-host that’s been missing in action for a while it’s great to have mr perry back uh say hi perry hi perry well not actually say hi ferry to the live people oh it is it is great to be back i thank you guys for checking in and uh i’m just excited to come back and talk some marvel just some we got great stuff coming up to talk about i’m so excited let’s just let’s do it awesome awesome great to have you back sir and then we have two new people uh coming to us on our podcast tonight uh mr travis and mr john cessone is that you saying it’s uh we have uh we have vowels at the end of our last name on long island we’re all right there we go yeah that’s why that’s why i was able to pronounce it automatically yeah we have these two awesome guys joining us for the first time on the mcu’s bleeding edge uh they are both awesome and uh been fun to get to know uh they have a podcast as well and why don’t uh either john or travis why don’t you talk a little bit about it to give people a little bit of knowledge of who you guys are yeah yeah yeah i mean all about it uh ladies and gentlemen boys and girls cree and squirrel of all ages my name is john and i am from the mcu beyond infinity podcast a place where fellow marvelites have assembled to rate review discuss theorize and wax intellectual about any and all things related to the marvel cinematic universe joined as always by my trusty co-host and ravanger brother in arms travis i did that without the notes this time travis yeah yeah yeah and you really should amend it to mention how much we talk about fast and the furious and report for the serial killer we do we do we it’s for an mcu podcast it is it is i we we have our podcast where weekly we discuss the latest installments of the marvel cinematic universe um obviously there’s been so much new content with the disney plus streaming series this year it was a really good time for us to kind of jump on board we’ve had very little off week some weeks it’s doubled up with our content um so it’s been really great over uh over the past couple months not only to get to talk marvel with travis but other things like like uh movies about serial killers sorry michael rooker and uh the fast and the furious and twilight franchises as well divulges into many a tangent so and we love green we’re so happy to be here too thank you guys so much oh yeah very much awesome great uh good travis oh no no i’m saying uh yeah so we’re happy to be here huh awesome awesome well it’s got great to have you guys here we’re looking forward to just you know talking m.c marvel stuff with you guys and getting to know you guys even more it’s gonna be great i think it’s gonna be just a great show all together especially that we got the whole trio back together and then just having the great arch with us you know of course like i said purchase from the podcast champions if you guys have not 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lives on cigar anyways but like we were saying we’re gonna be talking about the what if episode tonight episode three which is a very interesting turn too for this you know i mean this is only the third episode of this series but i think it takes a really dark turn as a lot of people i’ve noticed saying on their uh either in facebook you know social media lands like that a lot of people thought this was such a dark turn especially from what we’re used to seeing in the mcu so to start us off i mean this is kind of an interesting start we kind of get the watcher coming back and you know setting up the story for us you know and saying that you know this is an alternate you know version of what could have happened if the avengers did not assemble and uh we right at the get-go we get you know iron man nick fury and black widow uh basically imitating the same exact scene from iron man 2. and some things unfold in this little thing that are completely different from the original iron man 2 film so to start us off guys what do you guys think about that scene and kind of how it unfolded and what was your reaction when what happened to tony versus what actually happened to him in the movie how did that make you guys feel so let’s go ahead and start with you perry since you it’s been a while since we’ve heard from you sir it’s been a while i always do that and nobody else laughs so i’m so wow honestly like i’ll take a two second thing just to say thank you you’re welcome thank you for doing that because i do that all the time thank you appreciate it uh so about the episode so yeah it it kind of threw me off because i was like i was i was sitting there you know i i don’t watch too many of the promos for like the next episodes and stuff because i kind of like to go in blind a little bit when it comes to like episode by episode um and i feel like sometimes those like promos can give away too much um but so i went into this one completely like blind i didn’t see any of the like videos or any like the promo shots and i was like i was just kind of shocked i was like oh okay all right all right okay now what’s good what’s going on here and uh and it was great to have um it was great to be like sitting there and kind of be thrown off a little bit you know like because usually like with marvel it’s there’s there’s like the feel you know you get it back and forth you understand kind of what’s going on especially with the last two episodes you were like sitting there going okay i see where this is going okay cool that’s a that’s a nice little surprise this one like you were saying cyber it kind of like takes a little it takes that dark turn you’re like oh tony stark’s dead like oh okay where do we go from here he was he was like the start of it you know where do they go from here with building the avengers like what’s next like and then obviously like it just snowballs with the other avengers and you’re just sitting there like okay so like what’s gonna happen next where are they gonna take that and i thought the episode was really cool because it kind of felt like um it kind of felt like a murder mystery with like superheroes like it just felt like one of those things where you’re like they’re trying to solve the problem and it’s like it’s kind of like clue you know like was it the maid in the kitchen with the knife you know so it was cool i liked it a lot it was uh it was a great it was a it was a cool stem off of what they did the last couple episodes where it kind of felt like it was like oh feel good like what if this happened and then it was like what if this happened and everybody dies like you know so it was good it was good i like that yeah it was it was very very different like you were saying especially from the first two episodes this one definitely didn’t feel like a carbon copy of the previous episodes i feel of other films so that was nice to see a little difference most definitely uh so moving on to uh john what was your thoughts about that scene that beginning scene with the iron man 2 kind of like parody that we dealt with i um sorry my mic’s kind of backfiring i’m not sure if you guys are familiar with uh fury’s big week did you guys remember this when it had come out in like 2012 but a lot of the mcu have it yeah i’ve never been crazy about the majority of the mcu like tie-in material whether it be like the novelizations or the spin-off novels i know they did the uh thanos quest spin-off novel but one of the exceptions of that was fury’s big week which kind of was one of the first things that put the marvel cinematic universe into perspective and they actually had released a official timeline for the first time leading up to the avengers the eight weeks prior to the avengers 2012 release they had released this comic um every wednesday call furious big week where each day of the week was one of the events that had occurred throughout the first phase of the marvel cinematic universe eventually tying into the avengers film and at that time i wasn’t bought and sold into the mcu the way i am now i went into the first avengers movie rather pessimistically and looking back on that now i obviously a [ __ ] fool is it cool the curse on the show by the way guys yes i know i know i put pants on just in case i stand up so normally we do this over an audio medium so i had to put on a shirt this time normally we like to keep it g-rated man but now that you already opened up the [ __ ] uh stream or whatever like you know let it go to [ __ ] i know um but but yeah starting at the the beginning with tony stark again iron man 2 is something i think a lot of the fans of the marvel cinematic universe don’t look back on too fondly it was one of those missed opportunities for the marvel cinematic universe it was their version of demon in a bottle tony stark doesn’t have like iron man as a character doesn’t have a ton of like memorable comic book runs one of the ones he does have is the demon in the bottle run by uh david michelini and i think uh john romita senior had done it at the time so that’s the classic iron man run they kind of botched it in the film so kind of getting this like redemptive kind of look at it looking at it in a different light was something that was really nice uh one of the conceits with what if uh it’s hard to not compare it to dc’s elseworld kind of spin-offs is ellsworth always did this really good job of giving us these holy unique stories where marvel always kind of said like well what if this happened just a little bit differently and it was always this kind of like retread of these events i was really happy that this episode right from the bat was saying this is not going to be a retread we are going to tell a wholly unique story with the what if set up like what’s going to happen again perry you said it kind of best i i was cackling in my head like the agatha christie avengers almost that murder mystery of the avengers very very nice setup for for a what-if premise completely agree completely agreed definitely agree there how about you travis what were your thoughts on that scene okay uh they’ve already kind of touched on a lot of it where i like that this wasn’t just a rehash of the movies it’s just it uses the bare minimum of each of these movies as a jumping off point even more so than the last episode that uh yeah and the murder mystery element definitely appealed to me i did wonder like i had heard that one of the concerns they had was that they weren’t allowed to introduce anyone new to the universe so i i didn’t pay attention to the opening credits to see who was in there uh but yeah i’m i’ll go ahead and spoil that this was my favorite episode so far because of it’s just a [ __ ] dope episode uh and i also like uh them using iron man 2 as the jumping out point because marvel has a tendency to revisit some of their uh least liked films to make them more enjoyable in a way like towards the dark world they went back too well to on a number of occasions you know and i’m i guess for that one i don’t think iron man 2 is as good as that really in some ways it’s kind of generic it’s got the best suiting up scene though travis yeah yeah the best of any tony stark appearance yeah yeah other than that though it’s kind of adjusted there and it’s perfectly fine they introduced black widow and all that but yeah like it’s a favorite of arches just to point it out like this is my favorite arch we’re like huge fans of dark world and we defended and talked about it a lot so i’m a huge dark world fan too i love those men yeah we’re not completely at odds in the beginning there was darkness and from the darkness came the dark elves so we’re all in agreement i don’t like iron man 2 it’s just one of my least favorites and ninja i like everything in mcu pretty much though so it’s which is your favorite child or least favorite i guess i just want to point out that the voice actor like in the trailer for tony stark didn’t sound right to me but it sounded better here for some reason uh i know that’s another thing since they’re not able to get everyone back uh but yeah yeah that’s about it it’s the same voice actor from the uh spectacular spider-man show that you like travis the animator who did tony stark on that show oh really i don’t even remember yeah tony start being in that show yeah i would agree yeah he definitely sounded better in the episode versus in the promo like like you were saying travis i totally agree with that so let’s moving on how about you uh mr arch what were your thoughts on that beginning scene sir uh first of all i love that donut shop uh it’s it’s one of the settings i actually have visited uh in real life to uh i was on that lay one time and and i’ve told i think i’ve said this on the show before but uh i was really excited to go in there and sit in that seat in that donut shop and spoilers there is no seating inside that donut shop so that that’s always like a mind bender for you went there in real life yeah i’ve been there in real life yeah oh wow that’s amazing it’s pretty near lax so if you ever fly into lax it’s pretty close just just worth it to swing a couple blocks down the road it’s in the donut district of l.a it’s like there’s that cd kind of donut and diner district at la which is like a real thing yeah you know i don’t know anything about la to say exactly but it’s seriously like five or six blog it’s like a two or three minute drive away from las vegas oh that’s so cool check it out if you’re out there it’s randy’s donuts it’s it’s a cool place but there’s no seating inside just just so you know um so i i just always that’s cool but yeah i didn’t think it was a cool setting the thing i took away i’ll i’ll just kind of keep my my thing pretty short here but um with everything you guys are talking about the thing i thought that was really great about this episode which really made it as good as it was because it’s my favorite so far as well was that the whole opening scene is misdirection like you they’ve kind of already got us accustomed to the fact that we open and we start off with the choice that changed everything and you you’re led to believe that this death of of tony here is what changes everything but it’s not and i will i will let somebody else pick up on what that actually is but by the time we get to the ending episode we realize that the choice that was made that changed everything happened who knows how long ago like 10 15 years ago we’re not really sure but it wasn’t really it didn’t really start with this death of tony stark that was a that was a symptom of what really happened so i thought that was kind of the coolest part of this episode this is figuring that out and it really added like a whole different layer to the mystery that’s actually going on but um yeah other than that i just really loved going back to the old sets um as john was talking about like uh i i thought the whole episode really like made that that week like you realized if you hadn’t read furious big week you realized how close those events were that they’re just going from that you know where thor’s hammer was to to the to the college that hulk was at to the diner and you realize that these things will all happen basically right after one another and if you’re just watching the movies you probably didn’t really pick up on that so i thought that was kind of cool that it just felt so close and so familiar i love the incredible hulk as well i love going back to that setting at the college and they kind of recreated that battle sequence in a little different way so i i thought that all that was great hulk blowing up man i kept who who else wanted to be to do a slow-mo shot or go back to the puddle of green goo or whatever it was after paul just sat there and exploded i really wanted them to show what the heck just happened there but that was that was pretty grotesque i’ll just add that very much so very much so how about you jeff what did you think about that beginning scene well i can tell you one thing i didn’t like hulk blowing up like that i thought that [ __ ] i thought it was stupid as hell i was like are you kidding me like you couldn’t kill hulk off better than that like whatever like i mean how would how would you kill hulk jeff well as far as [ __ ] on the swatch you don’t like little things going inside of big things that’s like i i have it in my notes in so many different places like talk about little things going inside of big things like like sue storm like sending her little force fuel bubbles inside people and then like bursting them and stuff like i love that oh man i i didn’t care for the whole thing with the hulk i got to be honest with you i mean i would like them doing something different but um basically i mean like what everybody else said i i like i agree with everything that everybody else had to say basically i mean there’s not that much to really tell you know it’s just that um i didn’t know what to expect from the episode because i mean like like everybody already said it was a totally different direction than the first two episodes of the show so it went you know there was a different style to it on when tony stark died i didn’t really know what to think like i couldn’t really in my head come up with an i like any kind of really good idea as to like what happened to him or what was going on at that point um i felt like it was like like cool fan service that like it was iron man 2 and it was the donut shop and everything and whatnot like i really i like that visuals and everything the animation looked really cool during all that i felt like i really thought the animation was really solid um and um i really like nick fury like animated i think he was pretty cool like uh i like the fact that um the the whole show revolves around fury and black widow you know like even though it’s not scar joe doing the black widow which which is kind of disappointing for me that she they they couldn’t bring her back to have her do it the girl who did do it was pretty good so i liked her i thought she was all right she’s a good comedian her name is lake bell she’s actually in this movie called um i’ve heard of her yeah she’s in that movie in a world like making fun of the movie trailers and she has this [ __ ] funny part where she does like russian star wars dialogue and she does a um like these are not the druids you’re looking for in this good russian accent and it’s it’s a highlight of a very good movie she’s very sounds incredible yeah it’s great she’s she’s a good actress but the voice didn’t sound anything like black widow yeah so i was like i was pissed off by that i mean i like like belle is an actress but i didn’t care for her performance as as uh black widow i didn’t think it was that great well that was one of the that was one of the things i’d that kind of annoyed me that majority of people you know they had quite a few of them you were able to do it but a few of the certain ones were just like at least find somebody that sounds similar but like that didn’t sound anything like scar joe and like at least tony sounded somewhat similar you know so i i was at least happy with that but still that just that kind of you know that mean kind of the main character other character besides nick fury talking throughout the whole episode that just kind of you know it got annoying after a while i thought well well they said that they couldn’t that that they just it didn’t work out to where scarjo could come back and do the voice work like for whatever reason she couldn’t do it has nothing to do with the lawsuit or anything like that it’s just like the way things worked out um but um basically i kind of think that like the reason that they didn’t try to find somebody that to mimic scar joe was they thought that that would have been kind of like you know not the way to go so that’s why they went with like a totally different kind of voice with the character you know but like again like i said i i like that aspect of it i really enjoyed the shield aspect of like iron man 2 and like the avengers and everything like i really like the whole shield aspect of it so like that was cool i missed that stuff i missed the uh shield and the governing organization and fury and helicarriers and they i love winter soldier but they like they blew their wad a little quick with getting rid of shield for for a minute so it was nice to revisit that well you know yeah totally agree there totally agree so as we move on into the episode so we we have that great introduction you know they think you know because you know black widow basically had injected him with that serum they think she was basically the killer right now so we have basically have her being transported away and you know basically that she’s in the car and we actually get an interesting kind of cameo i thought of rumble is actually in that van with them so we get a little bit more of that shield camaraderie we’ve just been talking about there and i thought it was great that frank gorilla was able to voice the character and i thought that was this was an interesting scene because like she’s like you know this is not gonna contain me she says and then all of a sudden she’s like can you hold these handcuffs and then she starts beating them all up and stuff and i thought that was like kind of like hilario hilarious how they like did it kind of like and then all of a sudden they’re like oh man what’s going on back there and they stopped and like oh man it was kind of just like one of those like kind of scenes you were like okay that was kind of funny but the same time you’re like it was kind of dumb at the same time but it’s like didn’t you foresee that happening so that was my thoughts on the scene what were your guys’s thoughts so let’s start with you travis okay uh that was a bit silly but i’m uh running it somebody waiting for this cartoon it’s like the very first episode where some of the action is very over the top they wouldn’t do it live action but cartoon different mediums or different rules a little bit i uh the action bits or the like the rapid punching reminding me of donnie and hitman films i don’t know if anyone else has seen those but they’re fantastic and it’s just yeah yeah uh very similar uh with all the rapid face punching uh but yeah yeah also uh the they didn’t get a mech audio wise but the guy who plays like rock rumble’s second in command also was visually represented he played uh kg beast in batman vs superman uh yeah i always that got showed out in winter soldiers it was nice to see him back even if it was just kind of visually i’m wondering if he got paid for it but just out of curiosity yeah that’s really all i had to say about that scene huh nice nice thank you uh how about you perry what did you think about that scene yeah i think it was like one of those scenes that just like is it’s it’s the cartoon scene you know it’s like the the animation scene you know it’s part of the like travis was saying it’s it’s it lives by different roles and like the animation like in the animation realm you know and it uh it kind of just i think it also levied a little that like tension of like all right so tony stark’s dead black widow’s going to jail like what like like it it takes a little bit of that serious like dark turn and then all of a sudden you’re like okay like it’s back to like that mcu kind of like all right scarjo’s just gonna or black widow’s just gonna knock her yeah she’s just gonna kick her to kick her kick and punch her way out of this just like this like superhero should you know so yeah i enjoyed it yeah i enjoyed it it was it was it was like a fun moment in between like the the blowing up and killing of all of our favorite heroes yep i would agree i would definitely agree there uh how about you john what did you think about that scene it it kind of reminded me of the um the elevator fight in the winter soldier with the confined space yeah yeah and and there’s this extra kind of looming weight knowing where we are now with rumblo being there and knowing that shield had been infiltrated so far in advance and this is hydra this is not shield so there are these maniacal forces behind the curtain here not just apprehending natasha for where this agatha christie style who done it the clue who done it as perry said before with the the whole kind of conceit of this episode but also knowing that hydra is behind the curtain also so that’s almost like its own mcguffin uh to begin with and i i do have a theory because they name check uh pierce alexander pierce um robert redford’s character here and they’re like oh we’re gonna bring her to pierce blah blah blah blah so i do have this theory that i’ll kind of wrap up towards the end of the episode but i do want to plant the seeds here about who the mastermind of this entire thing is so very much so very much so it was a very shocking actually kind of uh i kind of knew like who it was after this certain words were mentioned towards the end of the episode but at the same time i was like i’m like who what who could be doing this who can do this but yeah that’s a great little seed that you planted there john yeah how about you arch what did you think about the uh that scene uh yeah no it most reminded me of the truck uh escape sequence from winter soldier actually which of course would come after this but the one where maria hill is uh posing as a guard and knocks a couple people out free sam and natasha and steve of course so that’s what it most reminded me of uh of course they’d never get to that point uh after these events but um it was it was interesting nonetheless the uh perry sentiment that the the biggest thing i picked up on from the first three episodes here so far is that the animation world people are acting differently than they would shoot these scenes in live action they just react differently they say things differently and they’re doing it in an animation sort of style that uh wouldn’t they wouldn’t fill these in the same way or talk in the same way in live action the uh the other thing the only other thing i i’d note is just that there’s a ton of cameos in this you guys mentioned the strike team but you know the store there’s hawkeye they get betty banner back in here there’s bruce there’s there’s a ton of people in this episode and i i thought this scene was the one where i picked up on that like that there was just a ton of people around i love seeing the strike team back so i thought that was all cool yeah nice thank you yeah i i would totally agree with that because it like you know like perry was saying it was a good like kind of buffer scene between the craziness that was going on the exploding and stuff like that so i mean that’s that’s what kind of the scene did and i mean this scene actually made you think a lot you know brought a lot of memories from other mcu projects to your mind you know like everyone’s been mentioning you know you got the shield thing going on you got winter soldier thoughts going on and stuff like that so i think that’s a really great thing that they’re you know that they kind of are refreshing things as we’ve mentioned before you know recycling material that we’ve already gone over but trying to make it pressure that people want to re-watch it so i think that’s you know kind of what what if it’s kind of doing what did you think about that scene jeff well i think like you said there’s a lot that plays out like you know when when it goes down you know with the the whole truck scene um i really did honestly think that it was going to be like a steve elevator deal like that’s the first thing i thought was like that’s that’s exactly what they’re setting up you know what i mean um and honestly like um live-action like combat hand-to-hand combat is just so much better than animated hand-to-hand combat you know like i’m sorry but it’s it’s not the same thing but um it was all right like it was interesting you know i like the direction that the episode was going at that point like i was into it and everything and um you know uh i mean again my main thing is just that these episodes are so short i guess they have to do that i mean because of the animation aspect of it and everything i guess i get it but this one this one i think clocked in at 35 minutes with the credits um so you know like uh it was it just it seemed it it almost felt kind of rushed a little bit to me um i really enjoyed the the episode at the point that black widow broke away from shield and everything and whatnot i didn’t like the way the whole thing went down with hulk um i wish they would have done that differently but um how would you have killed hulk i don’t know i mean i don’t know come on you’ve had a few minutes to think about it i wouldn’t kill hulk at all maybe the abomination could have popped up and like beat his ass or something i was hoping to see him you know me too that’s why i don’t know what the abomination was going to pop out but but no i mean uh i’m gonna look i’m gonna i’m gonna go ahead and you know how like like uh like when you’re like when they’re on when they’re when they’re doing congress or like the senate you they just go ahead and like let let let the people know that they’re gonna like save their time for later on in the show or whatever or like later on during the forum i’m gonna do that right now and go ahead and bank the rest of my time on this uh this like go around and save it for the eternal trailer and the uh shane chi trailer okay for three or four minutes later on in the show oh okay all right thank you jeff for that information so great i’m so glad you told us how you thought hulk should die anyway anyway so as we move on okay so we have that scene all of a sudden we kind of it transitions uh i don’t know if anybody else notices but did you guys notice how the watcher kept popping up in certain scenes you saw him in the background kind of watching that was really cool i liked that i thought that was a really cool aspect that they brought to this episode and i love that you know he was like big and center and you could see him in that he was like i’m watching over us i’m telling the story that was really cool job of placing him though cyber they did they did a great job of like blending him in really well i thought so too i thought they did a really good job with that and i and i just really enjoyed that it kept showing ua too you know for for a change to see him a little bit more and give jeffrey wright you know a little bit more kind of like screen time a little bit too just to kind of you know because he’s so great at playing the doing the voice in the narration but you know as we move on in the episode okay all of a sudden we kind of jump from that whole situation iron man 2 uh kind of deal winter soldier kind of idea and then all of a sudden we’re into four and we have thor coming down after being banished from asgard and kind of that the whole scene where you know he’s at the camp trying to get his you know hamburger back and we have nick durry and barton talking to each other and stuff like that would get reintroduced to barton and stuff like that and i thought it was really interesting how they incorporated that into the episode as well kind of give you that you know that thor aspect and the hawkeye aspect and stuff like that and you know as things go on in the episode you know all of a sudden it’s like thor is shot with narrow how the hell did arrow kill four is what i want to know that’s one thing i was kind of taking away from this surprise jeff wasn’t mad about that one because like how i was wondering about that i was wondering how the [ __ ] he got killed by one arrow by like like me yeah exactly maybe ant-man or maybe he was really really tiny and then he just jumped off the arrow which is a bit they do all the time hawkeye shoots them and he jumped and he climbed through his ear and then he like ripped his heart or something i don’t know comic book stuff yeah it’s true comic book stuff that’s the way i rationalize it personally i like that explanation yeah yeah i mean still though i mean you are a semi god and you’ve been through battles for thousands of years you’re 1500 years old you know you know and one little arrow takes you out finally like i just that was funny but at the same time it’s like i’ve said this every episode so far they’ve done something in each episode where we’ve had a very similar conversation about but this doesn’t make any i i think it’s the animation style of it i think it’s the what if style i mean i think they’re just gonna do stuff here and some occasionally something’s not really gonna make sense but i think you just i think for this series you’re not supposed to worry about it you just go with what they’re doing and don’t like really go but the power levels aren’t right yeah let it happen yeah that’s good for the series yeah very true very true so so as you know that happens that you know barton supposedly slips and then he’s put into custody so when that all happened what were your guys’s thoughts completely on the scene you know not talking about the thor and the arrow thing if we don’t want to talk about it but just in that general in that whole scene what you saw and you know basically happened throughout that little portion of the episode what were your thoughts on it especially when all of a sudden barton is put into custody and what were your thoughts so let’s start with you uh uh perry please yeah at this point is when i started to think something fishy was going on uh that’s when i was like kind of like all right there’s something there’s something more going on here like i i that’s when i was starting to uh like tried like my brain was starting to try to figure out okay all right what’s going on who’s doing this who’s doing that that’s when i started to get like those murder mystery vibes of like all right something like a little puppet master behind the scenes is doing something because like this can’t just be like freak accident after freak accident i’m like that’s that wouldn’t be as entertaining you know like they can’t get to the end of it and be like you know [ __ ] happens am i right guys like all the people that were supposed to save this planet are now dead pretty much yeah not how that goes so i was like all right i was like all right what can be possibly going on obviously i would have never guessed it like that wasn’t even close to like anything i was thinking like oh they started the experiments on like the scarlet witch early and she was like manipulating people i was like that was like the first thing that my mind went to and i was like oh maybe that’s going on oh maybe like loki is i i would then i was like all right loki’s doing something loki somehow got to see part of the future or something and i was like oh maybe he saw his failure and now he’s like stopping it before it happens kind of thing and so like that was when my mind was like starting to like try to think of all the solutions and try to beat it and then all of a sudden i was just like i’m not gonna guess it like like let me just let me just enjoy this like brain like stop trying to figure this out but that was that was that point for me where i was like alright something else is going on here like this that like the tony thing wasn’t just like wasn’t just the freak accident it wasn’t going to stop a tony kind of thing very much very much so how about you travis what did you think about that that whole kind of like that little con thing that happened there okay i want to point out that i enjoyed the colts and stuff where he talks about uh uh i can’t even think of the wording they use but just point out how handsome hulk is and how it’s an accurate description and how he smells all the hair yeah yeah yeah yeah he sniffs his course after his hair yeah yeah it was very uh very enjoyable they’re fun uh i did wonder how many people were murdered there because i mean if a god puts your head through a really you were dead uh generally speaking uh it granted or an animation so this it doesn’t count the same way but uh i also thought at this point how screwed they’re going to be in a few years uh around the infinity war and all that yeah this one that started to really sink in uh and yeah yeah i didn’t have any issue with uh hawkeye’s arrow killing for it i i had already developed the rationalization that yeah it he’s not powered up at this point uh he’s just like a buff dude uh yeah that’s that’s about it right oh well i don’t want to mention the uh the watcher mentioned it earlier and i really liked that part about this episode you’re just putting them in the background more and those panels uh or those screenshots are looking like comic book panels those panels you said it yeah you said it yeah it’s very nice i hope we see more very much so in the next episodes yeah i totally yeah i would agree with that it kind of made me think of the hulk from 2003 you know the panel thing that they did with that you know because i know a lot of people make a huge deal about that like oh it made the movie so confusing and stuff like that and i remember going to see it in theaters and going i think this is cool i like it that they’re trying to make it look like a comic book that you know that’s what they’re trying to do here and i think it was just ridiculous how everyone made such a big deal about it you know an artsy fartsy film like no that’s not an artsy party film that that that’s what a comic book is supposed to be like so it made sense it made sense how about you john what did you think about that whole uh incident that happened there i love that you brought up angley’s hulk and i feel like i could just like turn the entire podcast into like why i love angley’s hulk and i’ll pull out my my senior thesis on like why that’s like an amazing movie but i won’t um i do want to bring up some more eric banner was [ __ ] awesome it’s awesome i love that movie i think lee is one of the most interesting directors who just works on his own terms and it’s so funny that he seemingly gets these blank checks for these like bizarre passion projects like bizarre bizarre passion projects from um the the oh my god life of pi to the the um winter storm sense and sensibility crazy stuff regardless um the continuity of the mcu in this being so strict is so funny there is a quick line where they’re talking about how um no one can lift the hammer and hawkeye say not even um jackson and he does crossfit when they were calling out to the guards in the thor movie coulson was saying uh jackson so-and-so so-and-so go to the side like they were calling out guard names from the first thor movie um and mentioning these things which is just like nonsense continuity stuff that only people like us would probably like be like oh i got three hours before a podcast and work i gotta watch the one second of that thor movie to like figure out if there’s any easter eggs sure enough i did do it that’s what i do and uh and yeah it was it was great i’m so happy to see colson back um again clark greg rules and he was done kind of dirty by ike perlmutter and feige and that whole beef with the marvel studios and marvel television so it’s just nice to have coulson back in like the mcu proper and not just be a nod and loki like nope he’s dead sorry confirmation didn’t happen you know totally agree yeah i i think it’s great that carlson we’ve seen more coulson and you know greg uh given his voice to it and stuff like that i think that’s great uh you have something to say mr jeff yeah i was going to say that like i really hope that they that they do decide to do an a hulk solo film with um mark ruffalo because um i don’t know how they’re gonna do it i don’t know how it’ll work i don’t know what hulk they’re gonna give us if they do go in that direction but if i understand the situation correctly they have the rights now from universal they do yeah they they’ve got the rights that to name more and they’ve got the rights to the whole yeah i was gonna say they were fishy and then make a name or pun but yeah nah neymar was gonna be a black panther too i know yeah yeah that that’s a rumor so black panther too like seriously that’s what’s going to save it like with them losing like chadwick boseman bringing neymar in is going to like totally um you know make up for the loss i think um but no like um my point was just gonna be that uh um you know it’s it’s interesting how um like the you know there’s never really been a really good hulk solo film if you think about it that’s been like really great like that people have like really enjoyed like overall there’s you know a lot of people don’t like the you know the the the angley and of course a lot of people don’t like the um the edward norton hulk movie and um so i just think it would be really cool if they did actually do something with with uh with hulk and give him a solo film i’d love to see what they would do at this point like with marvel studios i think it would be interesting very much so very much so i just want to give a shout out to cosmic man here in our comments saying aang please hulk rules uh we all agree here we agree that it does rule thank you cosman for that comment one last thing cyber you know if they would give out if they would give us some animated nudity some female animated nudity i would really like that that would be great like i’m sure you would you when you’re new to this sir i thought you’d well yeah that yeah yeah that was pretty interesting huh 1986 yeah that was interesting yeah jeffrey jeffrey you’re such a bad naughty boy i like animated nudity like like the way that like uh the the animated chicks look man i’m sure you do i have i have quite the sight for you to go look at after this have you heard of the thing in the description oh he does yes yes very much that i will provide it in the link below yeah all right so moving on uh uh who did we talk to last it was john so next is mr arch what did you think about that whole scene in iteration yeah well i was gonna uh until uh cosmic man and uh following up on what john said when he was worried about uh a whole deviation of angley’s whole care go watch the hit the uh vmc’s bleeding edge uh hulk review because we did an edward norton hall review oh cool i mentioned english hulk jeff threw out a comment to that and it did in fact deviate and do a full 45 minute angly hulk review right right in the middle of not dead i’m on the mcu beyond infinity podcast we’ll talk we will talk about it for the rest of the episode it was a straight-up tangent but it’s a good review you guys should check it out as far as that scene goes uh you know i thought it was great um the uh let’s see we were talking about hawkeye getting in there you know i had a thought i just totally just lost it here um it wasn’t the hair comment i did love the hair comment though that they kept going and they kept going back to that but um let’s see you were talking about catch me up man catch me up give me give me give me a lifeline here you were talking about uh uh hawkeye and then the whole scene with with him just being in there what i’m missing something here so thor dies the word does die come down and prime and so basically the whole scene we like talk about the lester’s hair we’re talking about you know him getting hit by the arrow like we were talking about that and then all of a sudden he goes to you know he now is captive he’s stuck in the thing because they think that he killed thor um mentioned that he was uh he was kind of like predicting or making some guesses on what was going to happen here and i actually didn’t i started to have an idea sneak in but i try to kind of watch all these movies without trying to guess my way through them i i used to do that a lot i used to have fun like trying to like figure out what was going on but i started just kind of like relaxing and just like letting it happen and letting myself get surprised so i thought that was great i did have one idea sneak in as i was like it’s gonna be like somebody invisible or something and i i didn’t even come close to getting to the to the right answer but like all of a sudden it hit me it’s like it’s like a ghost and i was like wait a minute maybe they did pick up on ghosts because ghosted you know it had worked with him at some point so i was like maybe it is or especially when we get to the top natasha fight later i don’t know if that’s going to be a question you’ve got coming up but there was clearly something invisible going on here and i was like maybe it is ghost that that’s where i i wound up at just it was obviously wrong but that’s what okay yeah very much so yeah and totally yeah event yeah we will be talking a little bit about that scene here eventually but um so uh real quick we’re just gonna throw up the promo uh for this episode just to kind of give you guys a refresher and then we’ll get back to it guys jeff mr jeff all right that’s the moment i am loki that created a whole new hero that’s weird reality is not a straight line well that doesn’t sound ominous at all every passing moment is a chance for a new offshoot a new variation space time reality what if we could rebuild it oh i’m counting on it journey to face the unknown and ponder the question what if awesome thank you jeff for that so you guys never just like think what if you know do we think what every day question mark every day yes anyway so thank you for sharing that with us mr jeff that was a little great little kind of reminder so as we progress on so you know we all of a sudden barton dies we have no idea why he was he was in containment you know all of a sudden he’s just dead and there’s nick curry and coulson talking in the morgue with thor and you know barton there and then all of a sudden it jumps and all of a sudden we’re being introduced to all of a sudden out of nowhere loki wow i was like so i this one just got even more thor right off the bat and i thought it was kind of interesting that you know they kept going very forish here so uh as as we keep going on here you know as we get introduced to loki him and fury are having exchanges you know basically loki’s there to get justice for ford being killed and uh we kind of have like it keeps going back and forth a little bit there you know we have a little bit of that and then show goes back to shows natasha going to see betty ross to figure out you know why did that injection kill tony and then we get all of a sudden bruce is all of a sudden there and they kind of start to reenact the incredible hulk scene here and i thought it was kind of interesting they kept like kind of going back forth they gave us a little bit of this and then gave us a little bit of that uh you know as they progressed with the episode but i really enjoyed that they brought kind of like the incredible hulk into the episode and gave us kind of like that you know kind of a little bit of that scene that we got to see in the actual incredible hulk film and i thought it was really interesting that while that’s happening all of a sudden loki’s using i believe is supposed to be the tesseract i’m assuming that’s what he’s using to basically turn the whole area that they’re in yeah using that power and so we have this all going on at the same time and so it’s kind of like back and forth this whole section here like i think it’s probably a good like i know five six minutes of the episode i feel uh of this going back and forth between what’s going on and that’s when we get to the part also where hulk all of a sudden explodes and dies when he shouldn’t have died anyways we’ve already established that so my question is for you guys is what were your thoughts on kind of how they did that with the episode like cutting between those kind of scenes and kind of putting that in together and kind of keeping those together with that that simultaneously story going on so what were you guys thoughts on that let’s go ahead and start with you uh mr perry yeah this is where uh this is where my brain was like oh [ __ ] this is like this is not looking good like that’s the moment of like uh like where you’re you’re thinking to yourself all right like all right they got the hulk like all right let’s see like you know they still have people they still have people and it’s and then all of a sudden it starts moving like faster paced like it’s going back and forth it’s showing like okay loki’s here he’s he’s got the rage you know he’s like here to like avenge his brother which obviously he has other uh he has other ideas in mind of what he wants to actually do but i digress um and then you cut to the hulk and then you cut back and then you cut to the hulk and it’s like and then you’re like who’s who’s gonna stop who’s gonna stop like this whole situation from happening like what is gonna stop this from happening uh because at that point you’re like all right the only person on earth that could stop loki at this point or stop like this whole situation from happening or put up any defense just turned into a green green goo and is like just gone and you’re like all right let’s sit back and see how this plays out because that that was my moment i was like i have nothing i have nothing to like i i was like if i was nick fury right now i’d just be like white flag like waving it like i got nothing left in the tank for you buddy um and that was kind of like my that was kind of like my mindset with it i was like what is he what’s the next step um and then we’ll we’ll get to that next point where uh like i don’t know how it slipped my mind but it did um like who the next person he could call up was but uh it that whole thing was like yeah that whole thing was like it just felt like uh like the train was like moving pretty quick and then all of a sudden like the brakes broke now you’re like all right now what do we do does somebody do we get spider-man to jump in front of it and hold hold the webs out at this point like what do we do like like shit’s gonna hit the fan like what do we do you know yeah exactly yeah totally agree there because like you’re just kind of like watching that and you’re kind of going holy crap there’s so much going on but at the same time you’re like i can understand why they had to fit that all into that scene to kind of get the story aligned you know that was really interesting but i just want to go over here to commons for a second here uh we have uh uh mr cosmic man also had wrote to us mr fixit after mr jeff had mentioned i want to see the hulk where he’s a bouncer grey hulk and then jeff says hell yeah to the mr fix it and then we have another yep yep and then all then we have a john andrew oh i was i was replying because somebody in the comments i believe it was mr cosmic man uh mr cosmic man had mentioned uh the logical step would be do a whole car movie which i think would be something really fun it’s the immortal whole comics are one of the first times in a long time that hulk is not only front and center for marvel but immortal hulk is the number one selling comic book right now it’s been the number one selling comic book for a year and a half you know it survived a pandemic it’s a really [ __ ] good run and it’s a really interesting take on the character and if you’re going to bring ruffalo back into the fold doing a little body horror like in the mcu like we’re seeing a little bit more and more of it in superhero movies in general i think that would be like the fun fun [ __ ] move you know what i mean so i was just giving a shout out sorry i just wanted to shout to john because he’s a big captain marvel fan i am it’s not captain marvel in the episode for like three seconds right i’m preparing for this well they did that because like it’s so bad acting like an actor that like they didn’t even want like she did like several minutes of animation they cut it out of the [ __ ] episode yeah i’ve been preparing i’ve been preparing for you and i have discussed carol that’s all they gave her damn jeff don’t kill john in his first outing here thank you very much dude i know people don’t like carol danvers i know people don’t like carol danvers and um she’s been like done dirty as a character where she was done dirty you know throughout a lot of the 90s and when comic books were selling really well so a lot of people remember her as this kind of like either kind of like power girl eye candy [ __ ] smudge what do you think about about all my uh captain marvel [ __ ] talking archer marvel too are you cecilia are you a fan of carol because like the the kelly sutaconic carol danvers is like sincerely like one of my like it’s a beloved run and i know people where they’ll say like that is one of the best comic books in the past 20 years and that brought in a market that comic books had lost for a really long time that kind of got scared away after the boom in the late 90s and then civil war happened and then you know civil war ii happened and bendis took over her and then [ __ ] the movie came out and all this [ __ ] with brie larson happened and and i see both sides where there’s been a bit of almost like character assassination on carol danvers as a character brie larson as an actress some vilified some kind of like justifiable you know i understand both sides but i think carol’s a cool character and i would like to see the carol that i like and the girl that i love actually brought out in the marvel cinematic universe so it’s got potential they have a good actress she’s kind of a [ __ ] yeah but she’s also really good so would just show her titties oh my gosh it would be sweet and i mean i was i right before here she posted a picture on instagram where she’s like shooting bows and arrows and i was like man brie larson’s super hot too you know and i agree show some titties that would be cool but hopefully she just shows up i just like the character jeff you are going for the world record of how many times you can mention breast in a episode of the podcast i think i think it’s a it’s an important topic i’m sure you do anyways moving on my screen smoke show come on anyways moving on mr travis what did you think about that scene sir i uh i’m a bit lost i yeah i’m during matt great some with the carol talk and all that loki talk about lady sit for 10 minutes oh yeah yeah she just dressed on oh yeah i was watching this with a buddy and they didn’t even recognize her as if but yeah yeah yeah uh the battery stuff i uh the likenesses in that portion besides thunderbolt or a little dodgy like banner himself looks like an extra uh other than like a few shots where he kind of looks like ruffalo in the eyes but uh and then uh betsy ross uh i’m kind of fine with that one being not like the movies because i i don’t really like tyler’s take on it so uh yeah whenever they eventually do bring her back if i’m playing with another actress uh yeah i uh i thought thunderbolt looked good uh i didn’t look like uh william hurt yeah i don’t know if it was him playing the character but uh i liked it was not okay i like the uh the hulk explosion i’m a horror guy i like when people explode into gore even if it’s green and pg 13 and all that uh i’ll take it how i can get it oh yeah it’s probably uh up there on the glorious deaths in mcu other than like uh the first avenger propeller guy that gets blood misted uh but yeah yeah uh i think that’s oh uh we got our first mention of nanotech here right and that’s kind of when my mind went to uh him as a potential uh villain here i didn’t know if they really go that route uh because it’s not technically a new character but yeah i uh i was pretty happy with it was michael douglas in the opening credits i i i don’t know yeah yeah i believe i believe he his name was um i’ve like watched the episode like four times now so i believe i met i noticed it during one of the times going through that his name didn’t pop up there it was like at the very end of the credits it’s crazy we got michael douglas and kurt russell in a animated disney plus series it is really wild those are two like giant prolific actors you know very much so very much so uh how about you arch uh just a quick rundown of about that scene what did you think about it yeah i i just like the setting and going back and visiting these things like uh like it’s like little stuff too like the the fact that the pizza uniform that edward norton had been wearing to get onto that campus was laying there and that’s that was kind of natasha’s flu but it’s i thought that was the most interesting part actually in a weird way i can’t describe that it’s it’s the ruffalo version of the character but that was edward norton’s movie i just found that kind of cool and quirky and stuff like that i actually love actor changes by the way like i would love to see like a long running series where they just change the cast like every single movie but it’s like 10 movies a bunch of different people playing them and i think you ever seen doctor who yeah yeah yeah like like that like quite the show for you buddy into the plot to give us an excuse for it to happen every once in a while it’s great i i think it’s cool to like have changes like that i think it’d just be awesome to like continue like a running series like that but um yeah i don’t know like uh i love that again i’ll reaffirm i mentioned the beginning but i do love the hulk explosion i i just wish they had panned back and you just saw like ribs sticking out everywhere it was absolutely disgusting like i think that would have been pretty cool kind of kept waiting for that to happen i love betty being there um ross being there yeah i love the whole thing man i thought it was a cool nostalgic throwback so i enjoyed it nice nice i would agree too how about you jeff was it cyber was that that was not liv tyler was it no no some some stephanie something her name was uh she i have no idea who she is but yeah that wasn’t her at all no to be honest with you um the the um that part of the episode didn’t really do that much for me like i mean it you know it um i felt like um you know uh the only thing that i thought was interesting is was when black widow was attacked um and at first and we don’t you know we didn’t know who was who attacked her i was thinking that maybe it was the winter soldier you know what i mean like that’s what i was thinking like that and like you know and then um you know i’m not gonna i don’t wanna like you know get too far into the end but um i just kind of felt like um having it turn out to be friggin um you know uh him kind of surprised me like it was it was kind of like very it wasn’t very impactful for me that he was like the bad guy getting not getting too far into the end i think him um that just basically gave away everything sir i was already accusing him so yeah oh my goodness so yeah that that’s a good point that’s a good point jeff that’s very good point but we’re gonna move on here we’re gonna finish this episode up here since somebody gave us the clue but so basically after that whole incident we see black widow she’s trying to do some research and then all of a sudden like everyone was talking about maybe it was ghost maybe it was you know somebody invisible attacking her and she gets attacked and basically gets killed on her screen that she was looking at was alexander pierce by the way i’m laying some nuggets for the theory i had towards the end so very true versus that was on there along with hope van dyne hank pym and another one and uh so as as that happened you know they’re basically they have all the caskets and stuff like that and pure reason has gone into um this diner and coulson’s there and they start talking and you know basically coulson says oh you don’t have any other avengers to contact and and fury’s like no there is one more and he goes out to the car and he opens his glove compartment and he pulls out uh you know the uh 1990s pager that he got from a certain movie and basically referring to captain marvel and i thought that was kind of an interesting night like saying oh there’s one other i could talk to and uh thought that was kind of interesting and then all of a sudden he’s like oh i gotta go talk to somebody basically i got to go somewhere and he’s like i’m not sure and coulson’s like okay and so then all of a sudden he goes over and he and he bumps into none other another thor thing the the defender the the destroyer and i thought it was cool that they brought that into the episode i thought that was really cool and you know after that instant after that happens and it cut all of a sudden just shows all of a sudden nick in this you know uh graveyard i’m like what actually what just happened like what’s going on like and all of a sudden shows hope and dying so in this universe hope and dine is dead uh kind of like how they think that her mother is dead in the universe that we’re used to and so basically as we get to the end all of a sudden who pops up other than somebody that jeff gave us the clue to mr hank pam so after we find out that it’s actually hank that stunted this whole time that he’s the one trying to get revenge and all this kind of stuff which took an interesting turn which i’m sure a lot of us were kind of like oh maybe we kind of probably figured out a little bit some of us might have been like oh no i don’t know who’s gonna be you know i thought it was it kind of blew me away because i wasn’t you know until they said like i was saying earlier i think until they said hope something and i was like when he’s they said like oh the names hope the names hope from black wood i was like are they talking about hope and dying that’s the first thing that came to my mind and so then when it showed hank and he’s actually the bad guy i was like holy crap i like i kind of figured this out from the get-go so i wonder what are you guys thoughts of when you saw that it was hank pym that was the you know bad guy at the end of the episode so starting with you travis what did you think about that i uh was pretty happy with it i liked that he’s in the yellow jacket costume pretty much a modified version of it i like the shoulder pieces which kind of nods to uh the comic version of the other judges where he’s got the silly uh black bits onto the shoulders uh i like that douglas is getting to be the lead uh villain here uh he’s just support in the movies which is fine but uh yeah yeah and yeah i thought it was a very interesting turn having hope being an agent of shield following in her mother’s footsteps who also apparently passed away in some way in this universe uh yeah it was just they couldn’t have told this episode what if hope vandaling was uh an agent of shield because then you would figure out who the uh the suspect was pretty much immediately uh and yeah just taking a character that we like and i like how crazy he looks it it’s [ __ ] cool in my opinion and it worked for me and um we didn’t talk about it in the previous episode but like the beating that he gives uh black widow is kind of brutal for uh man and woman violence even uh which is a recurring team good episode really a great episode so far in my opinion nice thank you thank you uh how about you perry what did you think about that when all of a sudden pin popped up yeah that that that was like the moment of like oh this is really interesting because it wasn’t even like a character that was on my radar of like uh who it could be and like you said as soon as they said like hope i was like oh that like that’s when it started to click i was like oh hope and dying let’s see like where this goes a little bit um and uh yeah it was it was like a cool it was a cool twist for me i didn’t uh i wasn’t i don’t think i was like i wasn’t like blown away in like terms of like oh my god crazy twist but like i was like oh that’s a creative way of like incorporating it in i wish they had like planted that a little bit more in like the beginning a little bit um but then again it wouldn’t have been quite the surprise but it also maybe would have felt a little more like uh like justified i guess you know because uh it when you just get that kind of information using like exposition it can kind of feel like they can do any anything you know instead if they had like tried to like story wise plant that seed a little earlier it would have felt like the story was moving towards that but also this is a 30 minute episode they’re trying to tell this this whole like movie and a half worth of like story into 30 minutes so like i try not to get too like critical of that because it is what it is and it’s an animation it’s just for fun so i wasn’t i i don’t mean for that to sound like crazy critical or anything but that that was kind of my thought process was like oh like this is interesting there’s this whole new like backstory to like the van dyne family that like uh that happened in this this this universe and that’s interesting and it led to this which felt like a good twist but it kind of also leaves that door open for anything can happen which is also good and bad i guess for me story wise very true very much so yeah i would agree very much how about you john what did you think i liked how the like the whole premise and conceit of this episode up until this point was basically that it was this murder mystery who is it that’s taking out these core avengers before this entire thing goes on and then we get obviously a reveal at the end that we were kind of expecting not necessarily expecting it to be uh hank pym but expecting a reveal of who this killer is going to be and up until that point i pretty much had assumed it was going to be like bucky and it was going to be a winter soldier thing because a lot of the roads were kind of leading to it being something like that but we also get the real reveal of the episode that we weren’t expecting the like double twist of like what was the what if you know this entire thing we thought it was what if the avengers got killed you know during fury’s big week but then the actual what if was no it was what if hope van dyne decided to join shield and then it spiraled this like 8 or 10 or 15-year spiral of events leading up until this so like what else was different about the universe up until that point like obviously a lot of hank pym was different which is a dope reveal because hank pym is the one kind of avenger like classic avenger where whenever that guy had a bad day or something kind of bad happened to that guy he would like end up becoming a bad guy for a couple issues and just be this kind of like [ __ ] up dude and again travis was talking about how that fight sequence where he was smacking up black widow was pretty brutal hank pym is uh is like infamously known for his first appearance as yellowjacket because he sniffed some [ __ ] like magic uh science stuff that he was working on and it drove him crazy and he dawned the yellow jacket costume showed up at the avengers mansion threatened uh janet until she married him and then like beat her up on their wedding night and then the uh the the um the uh crime circus shows up at the wedding and like knocks him unconscious he remembers he’s hanked him and he’s it’s all good but the kind of things that i was thinking at before is a lot of this seems like they’re hinting for some sequel baiting and we’re going to get some continuations of these series uh last week’s guardians episode is like oh i think we’re gonna get you know this kurt russell ego plot somewhere i think they might be setting up some sequel b for whatever you know the reveal of the new adventures are and i’m hoping that alexander pierce is the bad guy because i noticed they were talking about the mission where hope died and it was in um odessa ukraine and that’s where natasha says in the winter soldier where she met um someone had shot out her tires and then she got out of the car and she got shot in the stomach and then the bye-bye bikini line bit from the winter soldier that’s what she first encountered so what if someone said hope you’re gonna go instead of natasha you know what i mean and setting up this entire thing the mentions of alexander pierce him being the puppet minister with bucky like what if what if piers basically sent bucky to assassinate [ __ ] hopes uh you know what’s his name’s uh daughter x amount of years before with the intention of like taking fury down or some sort of maniacal [ __ ] it’s solid comic booky [ __ ] storylines coming in like little 30 minute increments and and i [ __ ] adore it i i really like this episode more than the previous installments too nice nice thank you how about you arch yeah i think everybody’s covered it pretty well but i’ll just i’ll just add a couple of little things here um one this episode is is uh the best so far at building up a much more complex plot than you thought was was really gonna happen the other two were good and they did they did some unique things but they were largely kind of like slightly different versions of things we’d already seen the first one almost was a kind of a copy of really the first avenger almost verbatim i mean there’s different things they do some interesting things with it but this really offered something else like the moment she says hope i was really on the oh it’s hope van it’s the the villain is hope van dyke but then there’s another layer to that and you’re like oh no no hope’s dead it’s dad and you’re like wow this gets really complex you’re like wait what all happened in the past and there’s there’s this really underlying complex plot that happened there that you’re kind of like trying to like think about afterwards so i thought i thought it gave you a lot to really digest um uh about what was really going on even the ending i don’t know if you’re gonna get to this in a second but the the old you know the final showdown with hank and what’s how that really plays out is i wasn’t i mean i guess if you were really thinking about it you probably could have guessed your way into what’s actually happening there but i’m like wait what is fury doing how is this happening and then you realize he had this kind of like uh plot with loki so there’s really a lot of of me at the end of at the end of this episode i thought it was really great um just to john’s point um you guys have had uh deathman on before and if you’ve ever talked to deathmate once a car at all he’s he’s a really big theorist in terms of this show building to a larger plot both within itself and possibly in the larger mcu i don’t know how far i’m going down that road at this point i i don’t know if they’re doing anything but certainly last week’s ending with ego makes me think that they’re gonna get to more stuff i don’t know if there’s like a big overarching plot or if they’re just going to have a follow-up episode that has to do with things we’ve seen i don’t i don’t want to go down that path too far yet but there could be some stuff kind of simmering there we’ll see but most definitely most definitely most definitely how about you jeff what did you think about when hank pen popped up uh you know like i said it was i mean it wasn’t it was an interesting way to tie off the story and like arc said you know like um the the the it was the best plot that we’ve gotten like the best story um we’ve got and like you know on all these episodes or whatever this has been the best one so far this is the one that kept me the most connected and like tied into and everything to where i really wanted to watch it i watched it twice um which i didn’t do with the other episodes to be honest with you um i did watch this one twice and um you know like uh like i said i mean um i don’t know hank pen looked pretty cool um like and dirt like that in that final theme versus like fury he looked pretty cool um you know like in his armor and everything and whatnot like i thought it was pretty tight um but um basically i’m just i’m just jacked up and ready to um start uh watching uh the eternals trailer yes i know you are and we’re getting to it so we’re to finish us off here uh basically you know once we see a sing pym he fights nick fury all of a sudden there’s several nick fury’s biting him how’s he keeping up how’s he doing this and all of a sudden we find out that there’s this awesome uh basically he made a pact with loki and that loki is helping him with this and you know basically they stop hank and they you know take him away and then loki decides he’s going to stay on midgard and then all of a sudden we get this giant scene where it’s at the white house and he’s like basically taking over so i don’t know if that’s like a bigger plot that they’re going to be going to and eventually down the line with what if or not but that’s definitely i feel that’s kind of like an ego thing too like what they did with the sec last episode and then after that it you know it shows nick fury and the caskets with uh coulson and all the you know avengers that have passed and then all of a sudden right before the episode ends all of a sudden we see captain marvel pop up and you know is ready for business and i was very happy they had it where it was a long-haired version captain marvel which i hate the short-haired version of captain marvel i don’t think it looks good i think it looks horrible on brie olsen is when they had her and uh end game uh but i think that it was nice that at least they kept it that version of danvers because i don’t know i don’t know if like because in this universe this is so different it could be not part of what happened within game and so forth so because it’s a different multiverse but i thought that was really cool and i really enjoyed it so that’s pretty much what the culmination of the episode ended up happening for us i mean did any of you feel the same way about uh about seeing captain marvel just briefly what you thought about it her all of a sudden popping up right at the end uh starting with you john i might make muted because i was cackling because i i was excited to see captain marvel i i again want to see captain marvel done some justice i want to see carol done some justice in the movies and she is a really cool character she’s a little kind of like overpowered she’s gotten kind of pushed to the forefront as hey check it out this is important and then like i get all that stuff but i um i think deep down there’s an awesome character there and i’m assuming that one of these episodes is going to be a captain marvel episode i don’t know if we’re going to get a continuation of this i would really dig it because i think this episode planted a lot of cool seeds for some more and i would like to see this captain america captain marvel who else are they gonna recruit so um yeah i i was excited and i’m curious um who do you guys think the other avengers in this squad are gonna be because we have we don’t have the maxim offs yet you know we we don’t have vision yet we we don’t have a lot of these superheroes that were just brought up brought back you know because of you know tony stark or all of these you know characters that were just killed off we’re going to be seeing them john in the eternals trailer we’re going to be seeing it oh yes the memorable icarus characters are going to be avengers yeah maybe icarus will stick who knows i would like to see salma hayek in uh in an avengers movie someday that sounds dope as [ __ ] so hopefully these characters work yeah how about you travis uh what did you think about uh captain marvel popping up right at the end there oh uh it was fine i didn’t it it felt like a just a way to uh either sequel bait like uh john has mentioned or a way to offset the down ending of like loki in charge of all the birds pretty much uh not that i really needed to offset the down ending i like those but uh but yeah yeah i i don’t have a preference between long haired captain marvel our short hair i like mohawk captain marvel with the helmet personally and sash and that’s what i want from my captain marvel but uh yeah yeah it was fun how about you perry yeah i thought i thought that was like a it was a nice little nod you know like it was a nice little like say like there’s still one and then it shows like captain america in this and it’s like there’s still two you know it’s like that moment of like you know just playing those seeds you know like giving them giving us a little bit of hope for like the future of earth and not just leaving on the note of like yeah it’s all gone like it’s all done the earth has taken over loki won this one guys like it just it was cool it was cool because it’s it sets up like that that like uh david versus goliath kind of battle going on and that would be that would be really cool to see that play out was um captain america the seventh day of fury’s big week didn’t it end with them finding the shield and the last page of that comic was him brushing off the ice too right i think so yeah yeah because he was the last one um uncovered and then it was injured was the next day right yeah yeah yeah great how about you uh arch yeah i thought it was fun um i for all the reasons you guys just said just uh uh on a side thing because i know captain marvel kind of sometimes tends to be this weird conversation somehow first of all i really enjoyed the movie i thought it was i thought it was great i thought i had a lot of like subtle goodness that goes on in it um uh the one thing i was going to get to eventually here is like i don’t care what any actor does personally i just don’t give a [ __ ] so like they could be completely like opposite of whatever i think like socially or politically and i don’t care i don’t [ __ ] care so like i think a lot of objections to bree are like this personal basis thing i don’t give a [ __ ] so uh i just think she’s awesome as as the character i think one thing i’ll i’ll say about her that just in terms of the actual films i thought she i think she has a damn wide range you can watch that movie and she’s like happy she’s commanding she’s sad she’s like you know frustrated she’s angry she’s like deeply contemplative in certain scenes so i think she brings a lot to the table i really do solid role um i come from a captain marvel background back in the 90s when she was still miss marvel and she was wearing the black leotard thing with the gold lightning bolt thing so that that’s my version of captain marvel i do like the the outfit that they present her in but i when i think of carol danvers i’m thinking of when she was still miss marvel yeah a lot of fans think of her as like that error particularly she was like pushed up you know i just want to put it out there that like i i bust balls about captain marvel but like i’m telling you right now as a fan when i was in the theater when i was watching infinity war and it got to the end credits there and like fury’s you know beeper dropped and it was the captain marvel logo that popped up on that thing i was as pumped and like excited about that [ __ ] as anybody in the theater i’m telling you right now yeah very true so before we get to the eternal trailers jeff you have any thoughts on the captain marvel pop-up no i just wanted to ask you do you want to start off with shang chi and then we can talk about that and then we’ll do the eternals or do you want me to just do both of them right in a row we’ll do one at a time sir all right okay here we go play him at this throughout my life the ten rings gave our family power if you wanted them to be yours one day you have to show me you are strong enough to carry them you are a product of all who came before you the legacy of your family you are your mother and whether you like it or not you are also your father i told my men they wouldn’t be able to kill me if they tried glad i was right here’s just a criminal who murders people be careful how you speak to me i thought i could change my name start a new life but i could never escape his shadow my son you can’t run from your past is this what you wanted you got this thank right you all right thank you trailer people yeah so we just want to give a proper uh send out to both arch and perry they both um have other obligations to get to so they have left us tonight we appreciate having them on it was great to have perry back on it it was great to have archers they’re the champions we’re still here but we still have a great cast here still my wife hold me twice go to bed go to bed and i say no watch good watch good watch now he just said how can i help you hey it was good to see you perry and we love you arch yeah that was great getting to talk about that stuff i i’m always curious too they were talking about 90s miss marvel i was like oh i love these guys yeah so that was great great having them so um back to the shang tree trailer so that comes out next friday actually and uh i when i first saw the first trailer for this i was psyched as [ __ ] to see this film the second trailer made it even more exciting i cannot wait to see this film uh i i love the fact that we’re getting more into the mystic arts uh for the mcu uh it’s another great character that we’re finally getting being introduced to the mr shangchi we get the proper version of the ten rings in this film uh we get a more proper version of mandarin uh it just it looks like an amazing film i can’t wait to see this so what are you guys thoughts on this trailer did you guys were you excited about it are you guys looking forward what what are your thoughts and let’s start with you travis okay uh yes i am excited for it i mean uh this is a general rule for anything marvel puts out but uh this in particular like asian film is kind of uh my bread and butter um so yeah you see asian actors get this opportunity to become uh big stars potential uh is exciting to be because there hasn’t really been a uh adventurable asian star in a while uh in hollywood so i’m hopeful for them who’s the current now in your opinion travis you think it’s like donnie yen who who’s the current big breadwinner is the guy who plays han in fast and furious maybe well i was taking a rinko kikuchi from pacific rim she’s uh uh the closest thing and that’s obviously not like uh i mean yeah daniel is popular but i don’t think his movie’s really still based on his name other one uh but yeah i’m excited for that uh i mean i’m also excited for abomination series um uh very uh fish-like i’m it was one of the oversights in the first movie i like my comic book characters to look comic booky and silly a bit i don’t need like detailed explanation for why he has used like that uh but yeah yeah i didn’t i’m i’ve been avoiding reviews but the general’s consensus seems to be that the trailers don’t do it complete justice which makes me happy i’m excited about tony along as the mandarin and making this character probably better than the comic book version right and giving him a bit more nuanced character uh yeah it should be good um i would agree i would totally agree uh what what about you jeff what do you think about this what are you looking forward to it i think that i’m freaking getting my shank tickets right now baby open them right now i just paid for them and i’m just wait oh i’m all set all set baby i got two of them because you know like i know and you know cyber that between now and then i’ll meet some new chick that i want to take with me that night anyway humble yeah yeah right no that’ll that’ll legitimize you know like uh our evening you know what i mean before the debauchery comes in so like anyways um you know how would you like to talk about shanghai with me he knows what i’m talking about he knows what’s up but um no but uh basically i mean i’m like super super stoked for this movie like i’m telling you i mean um i don’t understand why like wong is like trying to get down hand to hand with [ __ ] like the abomination like i’m not surprised he was getting his ass beat because like the abomination’s a beast like i mean i’m telling you right now if um if professional magic if the professor or whole version of like hulk that we got an end game fights the abomination is gonna beat his ass it’s gonna be like daniel’s looping hulk’s ass again same thing i’m telling you right now but um no um what i think is just that i’ve heard a little bit of like doubt on on youtube and like um in the media a little bit about shang chi that maybe like it’s just gonna be like not so great or whatever or you know like it’s being hyped up too much but um i feel like you know as always i’m always confident and optimistic when it comes to anything that marvel studios produces so like at that point i’m gonna go freaking watch that damn movie and enjoy the [ __ ] out of it i’ll tell you right now i don’t care you know what anybody says about it i can guarantee you right now i don’t even need to see it yet i’m gonna enjoy the [ __ ] out of it and it’s gonna be great and like i’m gonna leave the theater happy and like positive about it and everything and you know like i’ll tell you right now i don’t know what i’ll be rating it but i know i’ll be happy because i like all the different elements that they have going on in the film i do like i like the uh the comic book stuff um i like the way they’re doing the 10 rings like as bracelets or whatever like that [ __ ] is awesome it looks dope as [ __ ] like seriously coming off and on like the the mandarin’s arm like that [ __ ] looks awesome um with that that image that you see when the trailer first starts and you can see him with with the rings just like hanging in there suspended in the air and everything like that was awesome i love that [ __ ] but um no i’m like seriously seriously stoked for this i really am like um i can’t wait to see uh what it’s gonna be like when we actually get to see the whole like martial arts tournament deal that they’re gonna be doing that’s gonna be really cool i keep forgetting that this movie’s like an enter the dragon or bloodsport or the quest and at the core of this movie is essentially like bloodsport and magipore that is fun you know and they didn’t make it a white guy karate movie travis it’s an actual asian guy karate movie which is nice too we have a sub-genre film that we refer to on the mcu beyond mini podcast says white guy karate movies uh which are like blood sports and things like or the quest pretty much anything van damme was was in for a little while um yeah it looks so fun yeah i also agree with jeff about the uh the way they’ve adapted the ten rings themselves uh like the old martial arts film like it specifically obviously it’s a diagram fighter one of them was gordon i mean he wears a band similar to that yeah like a master killer film um absolutely and and they had the the five and five um it was the the eight poles that you were talking about and it’s like this this trailer definitely feels a little like i don’t learn anything about shang shi as a character though you know what i mean like i don’t know anything about this actor everything is kind of just a generic action movie line and as a i’m wearing i wore as a joke today a fast furious shirt that says familia and the dom toretto cross as a guy who likes big dumb action movies this looks like a really fun big dumb action movie but one of the like the linchpin that makes marvel a little different than a lot of these big dumb action movies like bloodsport or uh i i don’t know i just saw snake eyes and i kind of like snake eyes i walked out of theater happy the the there’s a level of quality that we obviously expect from the marvel cinematic universe and disney and marvel studios and that is at its core about the characters and about the lore and i do you guys think that you know this trailer kind of just shows more of the action bits it appeases like it looks like a generic action trailer in a lot of ways with these cool cosmic elements do you know what i mean but that’s okay though yeah i agree i agree but i i hope at its core it’s it’s more towards like we get a cool character that we’re going to be excited to see pop up as well and and develop a franchise out of shanghai that would be really fun i feel i feel that the first trailer is very generic the second trailer is a lot more in-depth and a lot better and i don’t feel generic at all i think that this actually shows that it’s going to be a really well done film and also i mean the fact that it you know the rotten tomatoes already come back on it’s 86 right now yeah 56 reviews so that’s that to me is a good sign if the critics are saying that already about it and i mean with it only come you know only a week away almost you know you know friday will be a week that it’s coming out from uh you know usually if a film is you know subpar you know usually if the critics say it’s subpar usually it’s a pretty decent film and i usually enjoy it so i have a good feeling about this film i think it’s going to be one of those ones that’s going to kind of like surprise people and i think they’re going to like it more than they thought they were going to and i feel that’s what this is probably going to be one of those films this year you know of the marvel films besides spider-man spider-man everyone’s going to love because that’ll be a guaranteed hit yeah yeah that’s gonna be a guarantee you have john watts back anyway so i mean that’s the key right there it might be like it might actually be like a blockbuster like that one might actually make solid money in the box office yeah i think it will i think it very much will especially coming out christmas time and uh but yeah i think like that chiang chi out of the four that have are going to be coming out this year will be that surprise hit where they weren’t expected to do as well and it actually does i’m really hoping without the disney plus release too that it gets some really good second and third week numbers in and this becomes this and eternals especially i think are going to need it because they’re not like a very well established existing ip or an ip that’s beloved like even ant-man could come out now and do kind of well black widow was you know a character established in the past i’m hoping that like guardians or some of these you know the first ant-man film we get some good second and third week block box office returns and and this movie becomes like a word of mouth thing it’s basically what i was trying to get at you know that 20 bucks right now that shang qi will be a better movie than the eternals i i would agree with you on that i think so too i might like eternals more but um i think shanghi is going to do better at the box office and be the the popular favorite i think yeah most definitely i would agree with that uh just to throw a shout out to isaac in the comments mr skywalker uh hello to you sir and yeah that’s awesome that you changed it to your favorite jedi character uh luke skywalker from return of the jedi version of him that’s great uh good to see you here in the comments also just cosmic man thank you for your comments too as well um shane she was a nobody in the comics now he’s solid gold in the hands of feige which i would agree and then uh he also he also brings out the pen uh part he’s like mandarin we’ll finally get justice i would agree there with you especially because i’m sure a lot of people i think most people agree that the mandarin version we got in iron man 3 wasn’t what everyone was looking for even if it was ben kingsley or you know the ben kingsley version or the you know guy pierce version still at the same time it’s like okay you know that wasn’t really the mandarin but still you know we’ll finally get a decent mandarin hopefully in shanghai here with what what are your thoughts on the mandarin guys i you know oh [ __ ] oh yes dude he’s [ __ ] sounds like a beast what are your thoughts on i’ll rephrase the mandarin twist from iron man 3. like how do you did you guys feel at the time of that and and i don’t care all i care about is that tony wong is playing mandarin now that’s all that matters to me yeah they brought it back they brought it back i i like i love iron man 3 that’s why i was asking and and i know a lot of people it’s a sore subject and this is finally like we got it like you know there’s a big fanfare for the mandarin right now yeah yeah i’ll go and say that uh the men congregation of course wouldn’t bother me if the diapers version was better uh that was just like a nothing character to me uh and then i did the lame dragon tattoos it didn’t do it for me visually he breathes fire on gwyneth paltrow in her underwear he does he does but also at the time i was disappointed because i didn’t think they’d ever take another crack at the character i didn’t realize they were going to make these movies until we die pretty much uh what do you guys think about neymar going to be in black panther too man like are you guys excited travis you are you excited i literally have my name or avatar right now uh yeah i’m excited i i know that’s why that’s why i asked you yeah yeah yeah there it is i hope they don’t go full living with him because i wanted to stick around for a while and i i know uh in the comments in the reason that him and black panther have such such strong issues it has to do with the flooding of wakanda i don’t think you can uh have name or do anything that evil and then redeem the character yeah taiga titi killed asgard did he not yeah but no one like we didn’t spend enough time in asgard to really care about those people everyone’s just asked guardians yeah killer wakanda would be a touchy thing right now that would probably not be the best thing yeah yeah i i’m excited i hope he is as arrogant as he is in the comics that’s one of the things that i enjoy about neymar he’s too hmm he’s a mutant too yes yes i’m not like i almost never think of him as mutant but yes he is uh so yeah i guess he will technically be the first mutant uh unless we count that guy from black widow that i don’t uh oh the bear guy major yeah major yeah yeah very true you’re also getting the the best well one of the best of many the best fantastic four side characters with name war ii and knowing that fantastic four is going to be closing out this phase namor you know jeff you mentioned you know he’s also an x-man but he’s also like one of the best fantastic four and longest-running fantastic four recurring characters what’s that he’s never he was never an x-man he was he’s half mutant oh no he’s a mutant man he’s an atlantean born with a mutant gene right yeah he was a member of the x-men at one point but he’s not like a regular member yeah whenever they’re doing the uh the hope summer’s the storyline with the company held it and he’s never again he’s currently allowed on krakowa for the uh for the hellfire gala so he was invited to emma frost big big party on the curricula travis do you want to see shirtless uh tighty whities timely comics or shoulder pad namor which would be your most preferred or like open leather jacket with big shoulder pads is what i would personally like yeah i i don’t i know it’s a classic and everything but i don’t need like green uh scaly uh speedo really that like maybe it’s like a brief joke but put some pants on the guy you can have those these scaly like the so there’s my avatar right now something like that where are you here like that certain armor or whatever yeah yeah i’m going to give him a ridiculous color like he had whenever he was messed around with the x-men that’s fine that’s cool but i want him to dress uh regally well with it being marvel you know and uh you know how how they do like how they did with aquaman uh you know with the dc universe anyways they’d how they did it um i mean i feel like just with how the rest of you know like how or that you know they looked and all that stuff in you know how they try to keep it you know away from certain things i feel that neymar will probably be dressed a certain regal way because of how they want it you know they want to keep it you know aesthetically pleasing to the eye you know what i mean so even though you probably want you know like that type of you know version of neymar you’re probably not going to get it unfortunately yeah i loved the aquaman movie uh even though it did make me a bit sad because it made me think that it showed that an article man slash name or the type of movie can be a big chess but dc guy did the punch first so yeah marvel’s not going to attempt it for a while probably because they only be seen as a ripoff even though anymore came through but using the character in black panther look what marvel was able to do with mumbacu literally a character called the man ape who is like not only kind of forgotten and just like oh leave that character alone like having these other tribes and these other kingdoms kind of with their own kind of regalness and their own kind of royalty travis like i think introducing him as black panther and having oh we have to go visit this cocky king for help or something along those lines and you know it’s a good way to to introduce the character as this as we would like to see very comic booky um kind of jerk basically we want to see this kind of kind of rich royal like [ __ ] that is namor oh before we get off the top of memory i want to respond to cosmic men in the comments i haven’t figured out how to comment over there it is more complicated than it should be probably but yes savage submariner would be a [ __ ] joke like that hell yeah very much so so to finish to finish off our podcast we’re gonna just drop the eternals trailer real quick and just give a brief few thoughts on that mr jeff five years ago thanos erased half of the population of the universe not the people of this planet brought everyone back with a snap of a finger the sudden return of the population provided the necessary energy for the emergence to begin how long do we have seven days we’re eternals we came here 7000 years ago protect humans from the deviants why didn’t you guys help fight thanos or any war all the other terrible things throughout history we were instructed not to interfere in any human conflicts unless deviants are involved by who we need to find the others i haven’t seen some of them for centuries hi hello this is what the end of the world looks like at least we have front row seats you know what’s never saved the planet you’re sarcasm we have loved these people since the day we arrived when you love something you protect it you can’t protect any of them i bet you’ve built the perfect safe house what’s this even made of vibranium fall collection ikea all right so that was a fantastic trailer oh boy this was such a great this is such a great trailer um i mean you know as travis men or as john mentioned here he’s like i could just watch some of hayek riding at horse for three hours uh you know i mean it’s really awesome uh i think it’s enjoyable i i liked how this trailer basically gave us a little bit more of what we were looking for for an internal trailer showing us some action some celestials all this kind of stuff we got a little bit more of the other people that are part of the film we got to see them in action such as man the johnny we have to see brian terry henry kind of do something too as well uh i mean we saw a little bit more of angelina jolie kicking some butt uh but uh i mean definitely i mean the first trailer was very richer matic-centric i felt like we all we saw with him pretty much and then uh the uh i forget the asian ladies uh name that was in captain marvel um but she is a character that we saw get killed off in captain marvel and then return in this as a different character uh but i really enjoyed this trailer i thought it was it made me have a much more better appreciation for wanting to see this film now uh versus you know that first trailer because that first trailer i felt the movie looked like garbage not a huge fan of chloe’s owl i don’t think she she’s not to be a superhero type of film maker especially with you know her winning best director and screenplay for you know her nomad land which is basically almost like a documentary style type film um you know she’s really good at cinematography yes i give her that um but that first trailer did not do it for you this one definitely did what were your guys’s thoughts uh how about you jeff what did you think this time oh basically uh that um icarus looks a lot like superman like like zach schneider’s superman yeah yeah yeah exactly what he got how he looks yeah and um i thought that angelina jolie looked really good uh she i guess her her ability is that she can just create weapons out of thin air like with like energy and [ __ ] like that um like that’s her ability uh and i like that i think it’s pretty cool um i think that um i don’t know i mean it was nice to see some action scenes like it definitely changed things up for me a lot to actually see that i we still didn’t get to see black knight really doing anything like you heard kit harrington talking but like you didn’t really see him um and he wasn’t like like the black knight so you saw him hanging out in front of a laundry mat i would have seen the black knight actually like using his sword and everything like that would have been cool i would have dug that mini blade yeah that would be cool yeah that’s basically it that’s that’s about the only thing that i really thought like seeing it again it’s just that like they should have they should have shown the black knight more like i mean um honestly from a comic book standpoint it doesn’t even make any sense to mix like the black knight with the eternals like it doesn’t even like work but it is what it is i mean at least you got to see more of you know kit harrington in this trailer i mean it was a lot more visible this time around you know what i mean so i mean you had him talking to uh gaba chan asking why didn’t you guys you know help with thanos then you saw him with the bus when it got turned into the butterflies or hearts or flowers or whatever the hell it was uh by that other internal um which i thought you know even though it wasn’t exactly the black knight and everything i still thought it was nice at least they got to show him a little bit more in the trailer a little bit more visible i definitely thought how about you travis okay uh i’m happy to be finally going to see the celestials that’s what i’ve been waiting on since just announced uh the eternals i don’t care about these characters yet i’m hoping they can change it but the celestials i find super fascinating uh i think the designer role is good i’m a little uh they don’t really show you much of the legs that’s the one area where i’m not completely in love with their design but i think they wanted to make them look less human the judge i think yeah he is designed looks like he’s on the searcher but i i’ve heard that they’re going to kind of uh call him slightly different uh do you think rob lightnell designed the celestials and that’s why we only see them from the uh knees up and we don’t get to see their feet yet oh yeah possibly they develop pouches at some point uh throughout the movie yeah the uh maybe they’re robots yeah the style of the movie looks more uh high brow sci-fi like something like uh a rival or blade runner where it’s going i don’t know if it’s gonna connect with general audience the same way that most marvel movies do i hope it does but we’ll see uh i uh i do know what’s next they say the reason i didn’t interfere with the whole thing i was thinking was because they only interfere in deviant issues but in the comments that notices it has the deviant chain so uh a slight change from comic book folder but the comics aren’t the movies that um changes will be made this in general i’m kind of curious to hear what john thinks about it because these girls are feeling more like dc rules where they’re basically gods and they do things that are on a whole nother power level they really do right and uh they’re communicating but travis again like someone in the comments right now um cosmic man shout out cosmic man with the with the good info and and um and disco submariner which hopefully we’ll uh write a song about someday we wrote a discover song on our podcast so um but the later kirby stuff is very almost highbrow for comics and really heady for comics and the new gods and all the work that he did over at dc travis that you’re kind of referring to where it’s like they kind of feel more like dc characters they’re they’re really powerful almost overly powerful with a very complicated very mythological based um origin story and actually jeff you you were saying like i don’t really get like where from a standpoint would like the black knight fit into all of this stuff but they mentioned these things in this trailer the emergences right do you hear this guys yes so they have these events in the eternals lore and like the lord of the marvel comics called like the great cataclysms and you know it’ll like yep yep and and a couple of them have occurred and that is where our boy neymar uh founded the uh city of atlantis yeah exactly a lot of neymar’s origin is tied up in all this but a lot of like again a lot of the marvel origins of the entire world and earth are tied up in stuff that was you know written by jack kirby in the late 70s and it’s really heavy sci-fi [ __ ] um but again one of the great cataclysms happened around the time of uh the middle ages and morgan le fay and like merlin are actual superhero characters in the comic books and you know the ebony blade is tied into all of that so the eternals have [ __ ] around in the middle ages so um how much of this are they going to explore i have no idea do i think that this is going to connect with audiences like kingo is not baby group you know what i mean like i don’t think my mother is going to buy a you know kingo toy with sexy um camille nanjiani on it the way that she bought like a baby groot toy and put it on their desks so some of the risks and stuff that marvel’s throwing out the wall in the past like the guardians these relatively unknown characters you know they they they stuck to the wall for a reason because they’re kind of adorable and they have these defining features how much of us in terms of like being a general audience are going to stick to these you compared it to arrival and blade runner 2099 these kind of more high brow concepts i have no idea um cyber you mentioned um not liking chloe zow is that correct you don’t really dig her no wow okay yeah have you seen oliver i i think she’s a a really good filmmaker i think it’s so weird that she is making a marvel film that’s that’s kind of why i you know not necessarily my first pick you know yeah i checked out her other two films that she’s directed uh after i saw nomad land and i just thought no man land was very overrated i did not care for it i thought if they were gonna make a documentary about the nomads i totally would have gotten the film but this movie was made like it was supposed to be like a drama you know type of film and it did not have that feel for me at all and i love oh you know uh what’s her name mcdonald’s mcdormand yeah from our friends of dartmouth yeah yeah i love her as an actress i think she’s fantastic i love dirt at three boards outside ebbing missouri i love during fargo loves one of her best living actresses yeah one of the best living actresses yeah and so like seeing her in that film i didn’t feel like she fit in it even michael strahan in it i think he didn’t fit into it like these are great actors and actresses that you know are amazing in any movies but they could not keep me attached to this film i was just so bored to death with this film and it just felt like it should have been a documentary yeah you know if it made it if they if she had made it as a documentary i would have enjoyed it way more yeah shout out to cosmic man with the good information too by the way with the uh the kirby tying things into the origin because that’s very much what the eternals kind of did you know jack kirby did a lot of that cosmic stuff over at dc when you know him and stan had the kind of infamous fumes in the 60s and he left to go work for dc and he did the new gods and we got darkseid and orion and all this great cosmic stuff and mr miracle and then once he left dc and he came back to marvel to play nice you know he kind of tried to do the same thing there and um it’s it’s just really big stuff and like you were saying cyber like chloe zao isn’t like i don’t think of her as like a big director i think of her as a very personal director i can see not enjoying her films they’re very well shot do you guys like the natural lighting that’s going on in this um in this because it doesn’t look like it’s filmed on like stages or cgi you know the cg obviously their cgi those gargoyle things are supposed to be the deviants correct yes former gargoyles cool um but it doesn’t look like it’s filmed on a backlog in atlanta it looks like it’s filmed like you know out in an actual set like it’s cool you know i just hope it connects with people because i think i’ll enjoy it i like these kinds of movies i just hope it connects with people most certainly uh you have something you would like to add travis yeah yeah one last thing about details that i’m excited about uh is just the world building i like even if i don’t like easter as much i’m getting some of the origins of the mcu that is interesting to me in the comics the celestials a hand in the mutants and everything like that i don’t think we’re getting mutants here or anything like that but just letting uh general audiences know more about uh how everything came to be in this universe uh it’s exciting to me even if they don’t get to make another one uh i i do think they should be applauded uh for taking a risk for this one especially how often they’re criticized for being uh yeah very much so did you have anything to say jeff yeah just that um i think that uh honestly um it’s it’s one of the it’s a weird it’s a kind of like a weird topic just because with the eternals i don’t know what like the um what the big demand was to like do the eternals like nobody really was asking for it to begin with you know what i mean so um humans was already taken again we didn’t know if we had the x-men yet yeah yeah yeah that’s good hey you know what um i’m sure you guys have probably already heard like how this how how people are are framing things to where like now this could suddenly be how they would do mutants sure like right off this whole like concept of like the the cosmic energy off of like the snaps and [ __ ] like that absolutely i mean we’ve seen the infinity stones grant so much power in this universe as it is and marvel and comic book storytelling in general has this tendency to use mcguffins like the infinity stones or the mother boxes or something along those lines or the uh the captain america serum for the ultimate universe in like 2000 like the entire universe was framed around you know trying to reinvent captain america that’s where all the mutants came from in the ultimate universe so i could very well see the mcu doing like something you know with the infinity stones and just basing the foundation of how they introduce all these new kinds of powers and stuff as the macguffin or the catalyst because travis right they’re doing miss marvel based off infinity stones and not as inhuman already correct it’s a little unclear uh there’s a lot of rumors about that one and some of the concepts that come out with it it’s very different than what i was expecting like it felt some good but there seems to be some sort of energy going on she’s wielding so the rumors they’re going to be changing the power from being stretchy and elastic and all that to having like green lantern asked powers which i’m hoping is not the case uh i i won’t destroy yourself without yet uh but it doesn’t appear like i don’t think they’re going to come from the terrigen mist oh yeah yeah so let me ask you guys i want to present you a couple questions i’m sorry i didn’t mean to cut you off but let me just ask you guys a couple questions so um where are you guys at with your podcast in terms of like when are you guys gonna like try to do some like actual like infinity saga reviews and stuff like that like are you guys gonna get into doing that or hmm we’ve done um what we’ve called our giant sized episodes in the past and uh we’ve been doing it with our basically in phases and we’ve used it as an opportunity in between the series that have been coming out where there isn’t any new weekly content because you know we we post weekly the episodes used to come out on fridays now they come out on wednesday so we would watch the episode on friday take down as much information and and call each other as excited as possible about the new episode of whatever marvel [ __ ] we were talking about on saturday and record it and put it out every sunday and um in between that obviously you know we didn’t think about like what the [ __ ] are we gonna do and these weeks in between uh one of the things that we’ve been doing is is covering um the giant-sized episodes where we’ve been doing phase one phase two and we still have phase three and we were talking about actually dividing it up in between you know the the first beginning of it and the second of it because we tend there’s so much to 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out yo we are

What If…? Episode 5 Review

hello podcast in my nations how’s it going out there folks out there in the wonderful lands of saverness your host here mr chevron shark for the mcu’s bleeding edge here with our all new live stream for you guys today so we’ll be discussing of course the fifth episode of marvel’s what if tonight we have a amazing crew once again with this we actually have kind of a reuniting trio of our amazingness with us tonight uh we actually have our great friend mr perry back with us again thank you for coming back sir and we have our amazing original trio here tonight so we’re going to give you a wonderful show young mason of course we also have mr jeff sloboda here our other mcu bleeding edge man being a whole man it’s good to be a whole nice to have the whole squad together it is nice to be a squad again yes yes i totally agree so we’re gonna go right in this people so i hope you guys enjoy so the start is off so this episode the fifth episode is actually called what if zombies that’s right zombie so we finally got our zombie episode finally today and it was really interesting because i wasn’t too sure uh exactly you know what we were gonna be looking for in this because i know a lot of people when they saw like the promo for this they were like oh this is probably gonna be really cool and i wasn’t too sure if it was gonna be as cool as as they had made it out to be but that did prove me wrong i thought it was actually a pretty decent uh episode uh so you know to start us off i mean i think it’s kind of interesting how they started the episode so we’re gonna talk a little bit about that uh right off the bad guys so what did you guys think about how it kind of started out like the beginning of infinity war we had you know where hulk basically gets sent by hymandale down to you know where dr strange’s place is and that’s basically how this whole episode starts for us so what were you guys thoughts is when you saw that hulk was being passed down to dr strange’s place and then he comes you know he gets there and he says his words and then all of a sudden it’s like nobody’s there what were you guys decide so let’s start with you perry what did you think about that beginning yeah that was it was like uh like you were saying like it’s like you said it i wasn’t sure where it was gonna start where it was gonna end like where they were gonna place this and all that stuff it was uh i think that was like the perfect place to kind of start and obviously like they probably they probably wrote it 100 different ways and then came down to this one um but that was one of the that that entrance into it was a great place to bring bruce banner into the fold of like what’s already going on it kind of it kind of felt like uh like you were being dropped in with bruce banner into the situation and now you’re like like what’s going on kind of you know what i mean so that i think that was like the perfect way to kind of bring people into um that that intro into this this episode of what if of the zombie episode i i enjoyed it i think that was like a cool that was a cool way to do it because it we were we were reacting with bruce’s like the same kind of like what’s going on you know he was doing that we were doing that so i thought that was good totally agree completely agree how about you jeff i thought that this um i mean overall i’ll i’ll put it out there right now that as i’ve already mentioned earlier this was my favorite what if episode so far i really really really like this one i mean i love every part of it i really did i i enjoyed the hell out of it for for as short of an episode as it was they really unpacked a lot of story in it you know what i mean like um and honestly you know what i thought um basically what i felt at the point that that um that banner fell into the sanctum sanctorum um and nobody was there um i really wasn’t sure what the hell was going on you know what i mean like i honestly um when when thanos’s people like the dark order dropped down from the ship i thought it was gonna just be them like from infinity war and they were gonna you know say the whole spiel like you’re about to be killed i can’t remember did the guy talk the the um what’s his name the guy from the dark order did he actually speak yeah yeah he said he said that line he was like you have the the honor of being killed by thanos children so did they become zombies right then when they first showed up or something or were they already zombies at that point no no they weren’t they became zombies when the avengers popped up when the avengers when when iron man wong and doctor strange all of a sudden pop up you see those circles and stuff going on they attacked them and uh yes yes and that’s what was what i thought was just like outstanding about this whole deal the concept that these these characters these avengers characters and wong and everything are zombies yet they’re still using their super powers and their abilities and strategies and stuff like that i was like you got to be kidding me like that’s really different um i’ve never seen anything like that before in any kind of zombie trope that i can think of i mean um i i just assume that if like i mean don’t get me wrong i never read the um the the marvel comics zombie storyline the new one that came out a couple years back i haven’t read it yet so i need to but um i wasn’t aware that they actually retained their abilities and stuff like that and like could still fight and like all that stuff i thought once they became zombies they just became mindless zombies you know so i wasn’t sure what the hell was going on when i saw iron man acting like iron man and like fighting and everything strategically i’m like okay that’s tony stark that’s iron man like it didn’t even occur to me that they were zombies and then when they actually turned out to be zombies and started eating the dark order i’m like you got to be kidding me um and uh like from then on the the the episode just went into such a fun direction and it really kind of um brought brought things back home for me like you know the infinity war like connections were really fun to see i really enjoyed that aspect of it i really did i loved the whole infinity war you know uh connection um and um i felt like it was nostalgic but they didn’t overdo it like they did the quick thing and then that was it it was it was over um and then they moved on with the story uh but at the same time there was the immediate um and i know we’re gonna get into this on the next the next step of this but there’s that immediate collaboration of all the different characters that you get in just like infinity war in the mcu like we got like when we all saw infinity war there was that like awesome synergy of like seeing all these characters together for the first time that’s kind of how i felt nostalgically like about this episode yeah i would completely agree with that i mean there was a lot of camaraderie in this episode and they definitely like putting these certain characters together we hadn’t seen in any mcu film yet so that the fact that they did that with what if actually give you that nostalgic feeling like you’re saying and that was also something uh my wife was saying too about the episode she thought that that that was cool that you got to see all these different characters together uh you know that you hadn’t seen previously you know do anything together so yeah i completely agree with that most definitely so so we have the beginning opening you know bruce you know he’s comes out he’s about to fight ma and and i think what the other gentleman’s name is the bigger guy um and then all of a sudden out of nowhere comes you know tony stark and the doctor strange and wong and they’re like beating them up and all that kind of stuff and all of a sudden that’s when we get the first glimpse at oh holy crap they’re zombies which is so cool and so awesome i love that you know they ended up doing the zombie version so and then all of a sudden you know he’s about being attacked by them and then i’ll just out of nowhere all of a sudden somebody pops up to help bruce none other than wasp herself so this was our first time seeing kind of like wasp away from just ant-man and you know kind of doing her own thing so i thought that was really cool and you know all you know she comes there and all of a sudden you know bruce is swung off by none other than spider-man spider-man’s another one that survived i was like okay this is cool they got spider-man they got wasps that have survived and then they kind of go back to their base uh where they you know have you know taken bruce and stuff and they want to show him like this video that they that peter has created which totally made me think of the beginning of homecoming and that gave me that whole homecoming vibe and stuff like that so what did you guys think about when he like is presenting that video to bruce to show him what’s going on what were you guys thoughts when that kind of popped up they like i first showed them like putting up the type setting for like the uh you know saying oh this is the instructional video for you know surviving the zombie apocalypse what were your guys’s thoughts so let’s start with you perry yeah that was that was really fun like it was it felt very spider-man um like that was one of those moments where it was like okay like these characters are still these characters and we still get to have like that fun moment with them and stuff and um that you kind of see the theme throughout this is that like spider-man is gonna be like the guy that’s like kind of holding this thing together with his like ability to keep keep people like energized a little bit you know so um that was it that was a great like video it was it was so funny you know like it just it just cracked me up watching it so that was uh i i the video was awesome yeah what about what about when uh they uh they brought in david dashmoon’s character into this fold which i think is really awesome and he opens the curtain and bucky’s taking a shower i that scene was absolutely freaking hilarious i was like laughing he grabs him by the neck and he’s like he’s like that’s a really strong arm it’s you know and it’s like it does can’t get waterproof it’s waterproof you know which is freaking hilarious i was like i was just cracking up so hard because like like i was saying before yeah totally gave me that homecoming vibe yeah with the video he begins with at the beginning so yeah i totally agree there with you how about you jeff what did you think about that scene well i thought it was kind of similar to what perry said i think that it was really refreshing um to see spider-man like being spider-man you know like um and um i thought that the whole i’m trying to i’m trying to think of a movie maybe that that that i’ve seen that maybe i can think of that might be similar but i can’t really think of anything as far as like you know where the where the pace of the story in the episode immediately like went with this like whole homemade video with a cell phone you know um like playfully like and like unveiling all the characters that are there like in this universe like that are left i guess as like as the avengers kind of you know what i mean like um and what a great ensemble group like really like i loved it i mean um they could have there’s a lot of different different a lot of different things they could have done but i mean who they ended up putting together to be the survivors was great like i loved seeing sharon carter um i love sharon carter you got you guys know i love sharon carter um i feel like um sharon carter uh basically um to me you know this is this is like uh a little bit sidestepping but i feel like to this day i still feel like they underused her in falcon in the winter soldier and like she should have had a bigger part in it and i don’t like her being a power broker and everything and whatnot but obviously we’ll see what happens maybe she’s a skrull so who knows you know like you never know but um i love seeing sharon carter i love seeing the interactions between spider-man and the different people because obviously just like in the comics or like in the other movies it’s always fun to see peter parker’s like uh dialogue with other people and other characters and stuff like that um and so it was really cool seeing how nonchalant they all were about the whole zombie apocalypse deal uh i thought that was kind of weird in a way like i was like well they seem really like you know okay with where things are at um but i love the fact that okoye was there like that really made me happy that she was a part of it i really liked that um and like um i think that um essentially i also was really happy that hope van dyne was a part of the team you know because i feel like i don’t know what that was but um anyways i feel like um basically like i don’t feel nostalgic or anything like that when it comes to um the whole idea of her being an original avenger type character and the fact that they didn’t actually make her more of a part of the avengers during her time in the mcu i’m okay with that um you know but it was kind of in a way again nostalgic it was interesting to see her basically being a part of the avengers in a way you know what i mean like a core avenger just like she was in the comics way back in the day and i i just like her character in general so i was happy that she popped up as like one of the survivors you know i love hope van dime um you know i think that she’s uh really interesting a really interesting character i would have rather seen her than seeing like ant-man at that point um you know obviously we’ll get to that later but yeah i mean that’s basically it you know it was just the camaraderie the fact that peter was making that stupid video like um you know like like during like such a serious situation was funny it was funny and that character was funny like he’s the one like non-superhuman person or whatever out of everybody or whatever that just like a part of the team um i love seeing um happy hogan using the iron man gloves the the from the suit that [ __ ] was really cool totally i totally agree with that uh like when all when hoagie always pops up there and he has the glove on and everything and i’m just kind of like laughing like yeah happy would have the iron man glove he told he would and like just like how he they had that similar chemistry as they do in the actual spider-man films in this episode was really fun too and just like everyone has said yeah the camaraderie in this episode was really fun because you all had all these different characters working with each other and so i thought it was kind of apropos um you know because we get a kind of a glimpse of you know you know something happened to ant-man and so only hope is left from the ant-man film so incorporating the ant-man film like into this you know kind of like what they did with the episode where all the avengers are killed off um i thought that was kind of fun that they finally included you know hope into the scope of it and into the story so i thought that was really cool and she was kind of like the main kind of like vision of this episode a little bit because she’s saying that it’s her fault why this virus took over and you know turned everyone into zombies and so i thought that was kind of an interesting take of you know taking that and you know as as we saw in the episode too you know hope mentions how it was because when her father went down to get their mother she’s the one that brought back the virus that caused this whole thing to go on two weeks prior to when this is supposed to be happening when it’s supposed to be avengers infinity war and uh i thought you know that was just a really cool way of taking it too so i i completely agree with you guys there um so you know as we move on you know after you know we see that peter video and something we get introduced to more of the characters uh we move on a little bit more and they’re like basically go on you know on the road kind of to try to find a cure for this disease and uh as as they go on we that’s when we start losing characters and so my next question is what did you guys think about that like all of a sudden they started like zombifying characters like after kind of like that beginning portion of the film like all of a sudden we started losing you know certain characters you know sharon you know it gets taken by cap we get uh you know we get so many different characters all of a sudden they start getting uh you know taken out and becoming zombies themselves so what were you guys thoughts on that like on that they all suddenly started killing off some of these surviving avengers uh let’s start with you perry yeah i think that was like a important part of like this being like giving it some weight you know like when you’re dropped in you already have like some of the characters that are already like turned into zombies and you so it’s it but it was good to see like you lose some of those characters too that we’re still okay and you’re starting to get like that that feeling of like all right who’s who’s gonna make it to the end kind of thing and uh there was some like really cool moments within that where it was uh um like a lot of different uh like action points where you were like oh they’re gonna they’re gonna die there nope not never mind like uh and there was like some like it seemed like anybody who died was like like sacrificing themselves in some way shape or form for this moment and um like to get to the end point and uh i think that is like parallel to like how all the characters felt when going into endgame so this is like just another this is like a parallel version of that just in a different way with similar themes but like telling a different story um so i thought that was that was that was a good addition like uh and allowing them to have fun with it like not being like oh we can’t take away this person we can’t take away this person but they’re just giving themselves the creative leeway to just be like tell the story don’t you guys kind of feel like there’s just an interconnectivity there where like it almost felt like an avengers film in a way very much so i i would i would say yeah i mean that like correlation with um you know just how uh it started off like infinity war an avengers movie i mean that fact right there like totally just made it seem like that you know so i mean it was that’s to me i felt like i was watching an avengers film you know in whole so well i feel like it’s funny because in comparison to when they did the avengers episode for episode three when you know what if the mightiest heroes never happened or whatever or they all died that was very like not depressing but like um uh deflating to me like it you know what i mean it wasn’t very exciting it wasn’t very um you know i didn’t feel that tied into it or connected whereas with this as the story was progressing and like you know continuing to pick up steam um i guess you know the fact that the team was at least together for a while um while they did start to lose people made it feel more like a like a whole like you know what we’re used to in the mcu i guess very true very true i would agree with that too i’m so i mean is that is that your take on a jeff on on that on the question i just asked i think that it was like i was saying to you earlier earlier cyber in a way this episode actually hit me the way that live action affects me like that’s the basically the difference with this episode compared to the other episodes of the what if for me this is the first one where i looked at this one and i was like wow i actually feel like little tugs in my like chest like about people dying and stuff like that and like losing people you know and uh people sacrificing themselves and everything and like it was powerful and so it kind of felt like live action in a way um like that same gravity and um that same like you know effect um and feel and an impact but um at the same time um i feel like there was a lot of there was the weight of this was a lot different than the weight of like episode three where like all these avengers were just dying like you know for whatever reason we didn’t know why they were just dying off in this case there was an actual like you know bad guy to fight zombies you know like there was against them versus the zombies i love zombies like shows and zombie movies i love i love um the freaking um i love the walking dead i always have like i’ve i’ve fallen behind on on like the seasons at this point i’ve got to go back but the walking dead is a great show at least like the first five or six seasons of that show are ridiculously good um i don’t care like you know the is it graphic yes but like i like the zombie aspect of of the whole episode i i think it’s the fact that it’s that there’s that there’s zombies and then that’s part of like what they’re dealing with is the fact that like at any point they can be bitten or whatever and become a zombie i love that whole vibe i enjoy that type of like film show like i love it if like alexis said when we did the episode four review that she thought that they could make like a live action movie almost with like what they did with the doctor strange episode four of what if i don’t agree with that this right here this zombie story in this episode i could see them doing that in a film yeah yep yeah that would be a really it’d be a really interesting film it’d be cool it’d be a cool uh it’d be cool if they could do like uh if they take this these notions of uh like the what-if stuff and they did a what-if yeah on something like this and they had like like the avengers as a part of it and like you know they had they had like a concept like the zombie concept are you kidding me it would be that it would be perfect yeah it would be really cool i think this would be that would be a very big hit yeah most definitely if they decided to make that into a live action film um because i feel like with the what if going on right now i feel a lot of people want what if uh into the actual marvel universe as a live action format now because they’ve seen what marvel has done with it and the just the beauty of what it looks like even though this is just an animation like you’ve said jeff i feel like it this episode like you were saying this one seems like you’re watching a live action episode so i mean i could see it playing really well and translating really well into a live action format of some sort oh i’m putting it out there right now cyber i would i don’t mean to cut you off but i wouldn’t i it would not shock me if if they if they literally promoted and said we’re gonna do a zombie what if movie like with you know we’re gonna throw all the avengers characters in there that you all know and love but we’re gonna take them out of their usual universe and put them in this parallel dimension parallel universe of zombies and like a zombie acolytes and everything it would be a smash box office hit yeah most definitely most definitely so before we go further on i would like to share the promo with our live streamers out there just to kind of give you a kind of a little bit of an introduction or a little bit of refresher to what we’re talking about in this episode so jeff if you have that already we’d like to see that sir time oh that’s episode four give me a minute on that brother so folks give we need one minute here people uh we will have it here shortly for you guys just a wonderful little glitch as usual but anyways yeah so i mean i wanted to point out before we move on a little bit further from what we’re just talking about too is was anyone else laughing at a hoagie’s shirt that says i’m i’m single because i’m saving myself for thor yeah that cracked me up when i read that happy hogan was hilarious in this episode like just in general that like right from the start you can tell he’s just like so pissed off to be in that video and then he’s wearing that shirt like they just i feel like uh i i can’t tell like what it seems like with all these episodes is that they progressive like it feels like they got into a groove like the last couple episodes where they feel like they can really dive into like whatever they’re doing the first couple felt like they were like kind of like pandering a little bit like not in a bad way but like they were giving people like you know the what they wanted a little bit and then and then now they’re like they’re doing a little more what they want to do you know it feels like the people are being really creative and having fun with it like the animators doing that stuff every time happy hogan like did the uh like the iron man like blast what did he say he said or like blam or something yeah yeah like it was just goofy and like you could tell that uh like you could tell that it was fun for them like making it you can tell that it was fun like it was just fun watching you know it’s it’s it’s good breaks in the uh chaos with those things so yeah happy hogan was a great addition to it utility is that that’s why i love the fact that he’s a part of the spider-man films i love that they kind of made him like a centralized character for peter in those films i think that’s a great thing because i mean john forever as hoagie is hilarious and he’s so good at playing that character and so i thought that was really awesome that you know even though he hasn’t directed anything since iron man 2 they still have kept him in the loop and kept him you know the character in the film still and i think that’s just great because i think he’s really built a great character that i think a lot of people have fallen in love with and have just you know had a lot of fun with but yeah that scene where he’s like using the blaster and he’s making the sound with it i mean the fact that you know i think it’s is it sharon or is it ao yeah it’s sharon she’s like are you going pew pew when you’re doing the laser thing that was just like absolutely hilarious it was great and like john favreau is he’s always he’s like he’s one of those people that like i i talk about all the time because he’s he’s one of those people that like um he created he created the mcu like he his image of iron man jump started what we consider like the mcu and that tone was really important when it started and he i don’t think people give like at least casual fans don’t necessarily know how much of an influence that his style of directing and writing and his style of humor really like became ingrained in what we understand as like the mcu style you know and obviously they’ve changed it and like developed it and all that stuff i mean that that’s bound to happen but like when you look at like the core of what the mcu does like emotionally takes these characters through their journey like he that was that was a lot of him and uh he he makes great great movies and obviously now he’s he’s running the mandalorian and a lot of star wars stuff so uh um it he’s he’s a great he’s a great director and a great writer and um it was it’s awesome it’s always awesome just to see him have fun on screen because he’s a great actor too um and if you’ve never seen the movie chef go check it out that’s a great movie great very good movie i actually watched that on um it was uh voodoo it on voodoo they had it for free to watch and i watched it on there and yeah that movie is awesome yeah what was the one that he that he played played in with vince vaughn when he first came out was it swingers yes yes yes yes yeah yeah from the late 90s yeah i remember watching that when i was like 13 years old yeah that movie is an interesting film it’s one of those ones that it’s uh it it’s like kind of your first introduction to both these actors but at the same time it got so much press and like it was considered a huge successful film for its time and i actually didn’t watch it until it had been years be you know later since they had it came out and i remember watching and thinking this this is a good movie but at the same time i was like you could tell these people were going to be huge actors you know they were going to do something in hollywood you could just tell and even like i’ve seen you know as you see other movies by them you know over the years and stuff like you can just see the process of just them becoming more and more good at their craft and that definitely that movie was a catalyst and a beginning to showing that crap that both of those actors had so yeah i definitely agree that you know ferbro he’s a really good actor he directed it too i think he did i think he directed it too and um honestly even back then i remember as a kid i remember hearing that he was actually even then like when swingers came out he was known more for like his ability behind the camera than like on camera you know what i mean um like he was already on the way to like you know like heading in that direction um it says he he he wrote it he was the writer that’s what i thought that’s what i thought yeah there you go well i mean that’s that’s a poignant thing to write a movie like that you know what i mean that shows a lot of talent and i mean um what i wanted to basically just comment about with favreau is i feel like every director from in the mcu um you know some of them fit a certain way with a film and certain some fit you know better or more well in certain films than others i feel like favreau was perfectly matched to do iron man like he was the he was the right director for the i for the feel that they needed to give off with iron man um he directed iron man too didn’t he too yes yeah he did the first two yeah yeah and look what happened with iron man 3 it kind of sucked you know what i mean like you know like to some extent it was all right but i mean you know it was kind of um convoluted but um you know uh i feel the same way with like the russo brothers and captain america like captain america the winter soldier civil war i feel like the russo brothers were just like the perfect fit to plug in for that franchise for that character for that story that film um and again i think that it’s important to take note um that not only does marvel studios dominate the the cinema landscape completely and has for years or whatever um they’re not just like getting lucky on stuff like they pick the right people to like direct and write these films and like cast these films and everything like they pick people who are really good at their jobs like you can say what you want about marvel comics right now these days a lot of people poo poo them and like don’t like kind of the woke this that like in the direction that the comics have gone in with marvel nowadays and like the pc you know stuff that they’ve in politics they’ve injected into the comics but when it comes to marvel studios in the mcu um they over and over and over they continue to prove that they’re good at hiring the the best fit for films as far as directors writers um they peop people people become very loyal to marvel studios whatever kevin feige is doing whatever voodoo he’s you know working or whatever with people they seem to want to come back and work with warner studios yeah i mean you know like there’s a there’s a real loyalty there that i think goes beyond the financial aspect of like making money from marvel studios i think there’s like a you know like just to throw in like a shang chi thing like you know i wasn’t too happy that they even included ben kingsley in the in the shang chief film but like who knows maybe ben kingsley came to kevin feige and said you know what i want to be in this film you know what i mean like at that point what are you going to do you know like of course you’re going to have him come in like i told you the other night perry um i just think that um you know bringing up favreau talking about favreau he definitely cyber you’re right he plays happy hogan perfectly like i don’t know if anybody else like it’s like nobody can play black panther but like chadwick boseman i’m i’m sorry but nobody can um and be as good as the black as chadwick boseman is um and i’m not saying and you know people and they can do what they want with that role i don’t care but um i just don’t think anybody can fill those shoes but chadwick boseman and he’s gone um so it’s the same thing with happy hogan they couldn’t take like john favreau out of that role and swap somebody else in there and it wouldn’t work for the the same way that like fabro does i agree i very much agree yeah i wonder how much avro gets paid for being in those spiderman movies uh who knows i mean he probably does it because he’s got a good relationship with him i think maybe that’s another reason why why he does it you know because he just enjoys playing the character i you could just tell he enjoys playing that character and so i think it’s not probably a money issue or anything like that he does it because he wants to be a part of the mcu because you know he’s the one really kind of that started the mcu with when he put out iron man and ironman too so i think that’s a really good thing it’s an industry it’s a business so everybody has to get paid at the end of the day you know what i mean so yeah they get paid they need to get paid to know what they give him for his little role that he plays as happy hogan in the spider-man films i wouldn’t be surprised if he makes out pretty well oh i’m sure he does i’m sure he does because he’s you know are he’s very established in the mcu so i’m sure he makes some good money i noticed over the comments here we have somebody that’s called the clash show i want to thank you for you want to thank you for uh commenting tonight uh he he or she wrote a couple wonderful little comments here that we’d like to uh just talk about here for a second uh he said he wrote swingers and then the favorite the far episode the fabric episode i’m guessing that’s what he’s talking about is the sopranos top tier so i mean yeah i i i would agree with that most definitely i don’t know about you guys you guys agree with that comment there that that one about the sopranos that’s that’s grayson that’s grayson and deja from the uh like the uh the mma podcast that like we’re gonna collaborate with in the future or whatever okay he is he i’ll tell you right now this uh you better watch out for this kloss guy because he is a he said he’s a dirty [ __ ] my french i’ll tell you right now gotta watch out for this guy my spelling is horrible it’s all good we don’t we all don’t write that great mr class so we’re all good here it’s all good but yeah just that guy he’s a funny guy cyber you’re going to enjoy meeting him i i can already tell just by his comments so awesome thank you for being our comments there thank you for watching sir and uh i you have that uh promo already mr jeff yes i do all right let’s watch it people before we move on follow me enter the multiverse of infinite possibilities reality is not a straight line every passing moment is a chance for a new offshoot a new variation in fact there are more realities than you can possibly fathom an infinite number where the stories you thought you knew are nothing like you remember what if only on disney plus oh yeah oh yeah oh what a promo just watching that little bit of promo like kind of got me going a little bit man seeing captain america as a zombie and everything like throwing down like with with uh with winter soldier dude yeah yeah that’s the investment was great he looked bad yes and like i thought he looked badass in the whole episode oh yeah definitely most definitely agree because i mean actually that kind of goes on with where we’re going with this episode so so we kind of established we you know bruce got in contact with the people that are survivors they got together so they start go on a mission like i was saying to find this a cure for this virus they basically encounter barton they encounter falcon they encounter a few other the avengers that are zombified they have fight sequences with them that’s unfortunately where we lose happy hogan uh unfortunately where sharon carter has to use reverse reuse the iron man thing on his face uh and we continue on they’re in a train and that’s when we come across zombie cap of course and the becky and him have this really awesome battle uh sharon unfortunately gets turned by cap and then she basically eats uh wasp hole kind of she goes into her mouth and unfortunately when she comes out after exploding out of her uh she has a cut on her though which is basically turning her into a zombie so we have a lot of casualties going on in that those couple scenes a lot of great action going on and so basically then that’s when hope is like i’m gonna sacrifice myself for them and then all of a sudden she turns gigantic to get them over to the compound that they’re trying to get to so what were your thoughts when all of a sudden she blasted through the top of the of the train because i wasn’t expecting a giant like a giant man thing going on but that in an event and i just thought it was so freaking awesome what were you guys thoughts on all of a sudden that happening starting with you perry yeah that was that was uh it was a great scene because it was like do trains run on gas i don’t know why i never thought of that but like i don’t think they run on gas so that that part i was like i was like wait a second and i don’t know if they were just saying that to like like as like a like a metaphor for it just dying out on them um i think that’s what they were doing but like it just like i was like on my phone for like two seconds and they said that and i was like wait a second um but once the train dies they uh they’re obviously in front of that whole horde of zombies and they’re like how the hell are we gonna do that and then uh hope is like oh the only way to get over or the only way to get there is over and she breaks through and she hands them over and as she’s like handing them over she like she does the whole dramatic like fall like the whole thing the heroic the heroic sacrifice and it’s great it’s it’s a great uh it’s a great scene you know it’s like her getting more uh more heroism out of that character that we haven’t seen a lot of you know we saw a little bit in ant-man a lot more in ant-man and the wasp like a lot of more of that like badassery and then now uh you see like the extent of what like she’s capable of doing everything ant-man can and i think that’s a really important like moment and uh and it’s it’s it it’s proves that she is going to be just as capable when she inevitably joins the avengers as ant-man and now you’re going to have these these two characters that were in the original avengers finally come back and be part of the avengers as the duo that they’re supposed to be you know so i think that was like a cool moment to like put that put that key to get that train rolling yeah i i’m a genius what can i say yes but yeah so like that i i thought it was great i thought it was a good moment uh for the wasp and it definitely uh it was like and thematically it’s a very easy like thing for them to write in but it also did a lot for the character it was like an easy like oh we’ll just have her like carry them over and have her sacrifice herself but it meant more for the character in in that regard too so it was great it was great nice yeah i would agree what about how about you jeff what did you think well it’s kind of the same thing that perry was saying um you know like i i love the part with the whole aspect of it being hope that was the character that got hurt you know and um you know like i i love that character i love hope um you know and i feel like um it was really fun seeing her be a part of the team and um you know like like perry was saying uh it was really cool seeing her enlarge herself and everything and whatnot because at that point i honestly think she got bigger than i ever saw ant-man ever get you know like at that point you know what i mean so like you know she like really got big there um and she was so dutiful about wanting to like you know make something you know worth uh her life like even if she was gonna die it was very moving it was one of the more moving like you know aspects that kind of tugged at my heartstrings a little bit in the episode and um i thought it was really really neat again that like hawkeye pops up and he starts shooting arrows into people and stuff like that like all accurately even though he’s a zombie still like i’m like that just like blew me away um falcon flying around like um you know like fighting and everything like with his wings and everything as a zombie like it was really really really cool like it was really fun to see um and seeing um black panther laying there like on that cot underneath the base and whatnot have we not gotten to that that far yet or okay we’re just getting to there oh okay but um no um i thought it was like uh a really valiant thing what like hope eventually decided to do with the team and everything it was very avengers like to do that you know like and again there was this shared sense among everybody that like they were willing to sacrifice their lives if they had to to like achieve their goals yet they all seemed very like chill about it like you know cracking jokes and everything which is like that’s very marvelous so yeah that’s it very much so very much so uh we have another comment from the class show he says what if aunt may gets blasted instead of uncle ben goes on and goes on a old man rampage which actually is kind of funny because i actually just recently read that comic book and uh about that what if uh scenario and that is actually a really cool like what if episode i think i think it would have been a really cool one if they did it on the show i’m not sure if they’re going to or not but if they do that that’ll be really awesome uh but i thought that was really cool concept like what if it was an uncle ben that died it was on may that died you know how would that change peter’s dynamic how would that change his you know his path to spider-man and everything and uh i think that makes a huge impact and so i think that’s a really good little comment there uh the class show cause i think that’s uh a episode they should eventually do if they don’t do it in this season but in season two i think that’ll be a really cool episode to go with what are your guys’s thoughts on that uh perry starting with you yeah that would be that would be i mean with this episode they show that they can they can be pretty uh they can be pretty violent and show like the gore a little bit and uh so i think that that uh i don’t think that that’s too far-fetched and i think it’d be interesting if that happened and then they also added in like uh like maybe the punisher joints and maybe he joins forces with the punisher to like go on this rampage of killing like the criminals and all that stuff that’d be dude if punisher had been a part of that team in that episode that would have been freaking like sick yeah that would have been really cool but i think they have to i think they have to introduce him in live action first before they introduce him let’s face it if you add punisher to any equation it’s a good situation yeah true definitely yeah definitely so moving on so you know hope has uh now gotten them across to that courtyard and uh you know sacrificed herself and stuff like that and then all of a sudden who pops up none other than vision all of a sudden vision’s a part of this and i was like holy crap vision i’m like this is awesome and so we we get vision and he talks about how he is supposed to come up a way of curing people with the mind stone and so they go into the base and they’re talking and stuff like that and that’s when we also find that paul rudd aka ant-man is still alive in just the head so when he pops up with just a head i started cracking up so hard i’m like are you kidding me what is this like at the man with two heads or something going on here and so like he’s like he’s like a pardon me and he like starts saying all these head jokes i started cracking up so hard at this so my question for you guys is what did you think about all of a sudden that paul rudd’s character ant me popping up there being just the head and those puns uh what were your guys’s thoughts so starting with you perry yeah that was great i mean it’s like the perfect paul rudd like moment of him just being himself in that character you know he’s known as uh like when he does like talk shows and stuff as being like telling dad jokes and like being that guy so it was perfect for him to like use that and uh it was just it was fun it created like it was another moment of like breaking the tension with like that humor and he does it for the rest of the episode um so it’s like uh it’s just one of those things where it was it was another like moment of it being uh like a break in the chaos which was good completely agree there yeah most definitely how about you jeff what did you think about the paul rudd aka ant-man head thing well the first thing i thought of was an episode of family guy where ted williams is on the show and he’s just ahead in like a uh in like uh a globe or whatever with water and like he goes to prison and he’s like oh man this is the exact situation i didn’t want to be in just being a head like with his cell mate or whatever like in the in the in the jail like and that’s what i thought of which which is pretty funny that’s a pretty funny family guy episode um but um basically i i thought it was funny i mean it was typical ant-man like you know i mean um it was kind of off the wall like it was kind of stupid in a way but like there’s nothing wrong with being kind of stupid sometimes um and you know i mean um i felt like uh you know like i was surprised that vision was still alive like it didn’t occur to me that vision would still be around but it kind of makes sense if you think about it and it occurred to me before it actually happened that of course like vision wouldn’t be able to let wanda die you know what i mean like he just never would very true very sure i totally agree there so like so after that then we had basically uh you know bucky decides i want he’s going to go look for a transportation and you know vision kind of gives a weird look and you know says something kind of weird and you’re kind of like there’s something going on here with vision but so as bucky goes and searches that’s when all of a sudden he comes he comes on and like all of a sudden we get introduced to t’challa aka black panther and he is missing a leg so when that all sort of popped up i was like holy crap they’re going really dark here with this they have t’challa who not only is played by still jack bozeman he still did the voiceover for this episode they have them have one leg and i was kind of like he just died from cancer and they have him amputated this is you know kind of kind of creepy in a sense away but at the same time you’re like oh holy crap he’s still alive but he’s missing a leg and i was just like holy crap uh so what were your guys’s thoughts on on all of a sudden uh black panther popping up certainly you perry yeah now it was it’s it was great that we got to see him and again and have chadwick pose and come back and do like that he was able to do the voice again oh yeah and uh yeah it’s just another another moment of like black panther just having that presence that no other uh character has even in everything i mean we all had that perry i think we all got that vibe like during the episode in a way you know we all in our own way like kind of got that you know like wow it’s great to see chadwick boseman again you know what i mean it’s really like uh it’s very powerful yeah and uh he even has that moment uh like later in the episode on the ship um where he talks about how not all those are gone like not all those who are like when your death isn’t the last part like they’re like everybody’s still with you and all that stuff and that that was where i was like oh my god like that like like they really uh they really did something there you know they really uh they were really like he was he was it’s like he was it it felt like they knew and he said that line knowing that it would like kind of comfort his fans in the future and that kind of like idea was really like it kind of like brings you out of it like keeps you in it you know but uh yeah that was it was like i said it’s just it was great to like have black panther again in there and be able to have that character in a story again yeah that was really cool uh how about you jeff what did you think about uh all of a sudden when t’challa popped up i was surprised and i didn’t expect to see the child i didn’t expect to see black panther um at all and um when i saw his leg was missing obviously the first connection i made was like they’re they’re cut he’s cutting him up and feeding him to like the zombies or whatever you know because i wasn’t sure what the hell was going on at that point down there like i knew something wasn’t right you know obviously something was not right um i was really kind of like uh riveted like trying to figure out like what the hell was going on with vision like where things were going with this whole situation like where this the what direction the story was going in and um then like seeing black panther was awesome having him be a part of the show even though he was wounded was awesome but um the what really got in my head was imagining scarlet witch as a zombie like with all her power and like powers and everything like how how crazy that could be most definitely yeah that’s you know that’s all of a sudden we find out we also see that you find that scarlet witch is down there too after seeing coming across t’challa himself and you know basically they go back up and start talking to vision again and visions like yeah you know i’m doing this and that and stuff like that trying to keep her alive because she’s loving my life this kind of thing and then kind of just escalates from there and she actually breaks free and then they have kind of like an all-out war almost with her and you know that’s when we you know get kind of just this tremendous you know bucky you know sacrifices himself and then you know uh the hulk all of a sudden finally comes out out of his shell again you know starts beating up the zombies and you know fighting wanda so that she’s distracted you know to allow them to get away and so as we keep going on we got this awesome battle going on it’s like that hulk you know finally re-emerges you know what you know and you know he hasn’t you know had that same defeat he had um you know twice like in the regular movies that we’ve seen and he only had the one i guess with thanos because that’s where you know he ends up getting thrown down at the beginning of the episode because he’s been beaten by thanos and uh so you know basically they have that go on they are trying to get away and then the episode kind of ends weirdly because it ends up they’re going to wakanda black panther you know paul rudd’s character and you know spider-man the only three that have survived and all of a sudden you get a zombified thanos holy crap i was like oh i was like i couldn’t believe it so to end this episode one last question before we move on to a another little segment to round out our show uh what were your thoughts on seeing zombie thanos what were you guys thoughts so starting with you perry yeah that was so i was kind of um like where i noticed that the like obviously that the episode was starting to feel like it was ending and i was like there it felt like a resolution but it also like all these episodes don’t feel like there’s like an actual resolution and like you get the sense that like things will continue like you get the sense that you’re just watching this like snippet of this story you know um because we get our our version of the mcu and the universe that we’re watching it kind of thing we’ve seen the beginning and end of every story that they’re telling but with these ones we’re just seeing like a snippet of it you know so seeing that kind of like this part of the story play out and then the watcher coming in and talking about like the implication of what it means for the rest of the universe like the universe in this act this version of it it and then thanos comes up and he’s a zombie and i’m like okay like are we gonna get a part two to this like can we get a little like yeah exactly yeah and it makes it interesting too because like we said like a lot of these avengers not only like even if they did get the cure and they cured everybody half of the like half of the avengers team like got beheaded or like exploded or like you know like they’re dead dead like they’re not just zombies they’re dead dead yeah like captain america got chopped in half like i don’t think i don’t know iron man lost his head yeah exactly it’s like uh so i think that part of it would have been really interesting to see how after a zombie apocalypse they recovered from that and then come back and like have to fight the house again because that would be like how do you plan on doing that this time yeah most definitely how about you jeff what did you uh think about all of a sudden the zombie thanos popping up well i mean i can’t i’m trying to imagine how it would work like in this universe like with these type of zombies that like i mean why would a zombie thanos still want to like get the infinity stones you know what i mean like that doesn’t make any sense to me um that’s like way too like much intellectual activity for a zombie to be like you know doing um like like as a zombie don’t you just basically want to like eat whatever like random person or like being that like pops up in front of you i mean like you’re not planning anything out like like large scale or whatever so um so like i mean he wouldn’t be like still wanting to kill half the population or anything like that i wouldn’t think that wouldn’t like that wouldn’t override his zombie self or like zombie like you know desires or whatever but again my thing my take on it was just again that like i don’t know we’ll see what happens with the rest of what if but i think this might be for me probably what i think is going to end up being the the the one episode that totally sells me on the concept that they could do this live action one time in a film or whatever and it would be it would be massive it would be massive it would be fun too it would be really really really different and like let’s be honest here at this point it’s becoming very clear that kevin feige wants to take chances like they want to do different stuff and like try different [ __ ] and see what sticks and what doesn’t like um and they’ve created the kind of wiggle room where they can do that and they can afford to swing in this and like this is a sure thing like don’t get me wrong guys you both know there’s a lot of sure things in the mcu in the marvel marvel universe like there’s more shirt things than there are like you know duds you know what i mean like to work with like in the mcu but um this like whole concept i mean of course you could do anything with a what-if episode like movie you know what i mean you could go any direction but i feel like if you were going to do it and do it right you would have to have the avengers involved in this this type in some way kind of like the way they did in this episode and i feel like um there’s people out there who really believe that kevin feige and marvel want to eventually tie this what if series into like the live action in some way maybe it’s going to be on a small scale maybe it’s going to be on a larger scale we’ll see what happens but i’m telling you right now i mean um i don’t see how how you how you lose if you decided to do a live action um you know uh avengers zombies you know like two and a half hour movie with like this kind of premise i mean it would be literally it would be huge totally agree yeah that’d be a billion dollar movie for sure oh yeah yeah definitely definitely i i agree there like you would definitely have um a billion dollar movie on hand i think that would be a huge success it would be dramatic as hell too because people would be dying left and right and everything you know and i mean like people would be crying yep 100 100 percent totally agree there i mean it it’d be interesting just to see you know how they could fit it into the mcu timeline too like with you know like i guess that’s where the multiverse could come in you know where they said oh this is like an offshoot of the multiverse that could have happened you know so i mean with the multiverse becoming a huge part of the mcu now i mean that is a very big possibility that they could end up doing that so you never know yeah why not cyber like i mean as like just doing it as like a special project in mark like a marvel studios special project a special feature doing something different a one-off thing that’s only going to happen this is the only time it’s ever going to happen we’re going to do a what if full-scale movie you know like you it could be the zombie you know deal or whatever you know and um you know i’m telling you people i mean listen it’s like we talked about before cyber if you if you took if you got the avengers and and just had them on video washing their hair i would watch that [ __ ] and enjoy it yep yep definitely definitely i would too i definitely would too so so that is it for this episode of what if guys so thank you for listening to us talk about it so me and mr jeff sabota talked about earlier and my other cohort of mr perry we are going to do a little segment just to kind of segue away from the mcu a little bit here uh and talk about some reviews on the upcoming dune movie so we’re gonna get right into that and uh kind of go over that so jeff you have some uh uh some awesome comments for us sir i do and let me just go ahead and and set the premise that i am like the big huge dune fan like out of the group here like out of the team um but um i know for a fact that perry does know dude about doing pretty well and cyber you’re like like day by day like you’re learning more and more about doom you know like uh i got to give cyber credit um like he’s actually a nice enough guy that when i throw up dune videos on rizzle and stuff like that he watches them and enjoys them which is great um you i mean you tell me cyber uh that guy that makes those those videos is really good isn’t he oh he’s so good i mean he he he’s like a brother to me so you know and he like you know i watch his stuff on the regular because he’s just so awesome and uh you know he knows all he knows about doing so i’m pretty impressed by him i think the dune universe is very interesting so basically okay this is off of rotten tomatoes this is what we have to start with as far as these dune reviews um okay from philip d semion time out top critic okay technically it doesn’t have an ending and not everyone will get along with the levels of patience villanueva demands of his audience but those who do will be rewarded with precise storytelling visual fireworks and some god level world building i love to hear that i love world building like the the the more the better you know i don’t know about you guys but if it’s if that’s the kind of movie it’s gonna be that’s my [ __ ] uh definitely it’s definitely a a really positive review uh i mean you know uh dune is such a huge uh concept anyways because i mean since its inception you know from when the first book was released and then you know of course in the 80s we got the first film version of it you know a little bit later on about 20 years later we got a tv version of it and so this is like the third time we’re seeing a reiteration of the film uh coming out and so i mean that world building comment is a really interesting comment because you know it really is a gigantic world to talk about so i mean all the different aspects of what’s going on in the dune world what is involved with what the people are going through what they have to do in order to get to that climax of what they’re looking for searching for that is a world building type of deal so i mean the fact that this person mentioned that it’s a world building film that’s a good sign that there’s a lot of good story to this film and that they really put a lot of effort into bringing the dune world to the big screen again maybe give us something different that elaborates more on what they didn’t talk about in the other versions and gave us an even more and more better film i think the technology and the special effects and everything just wasn’t there back in the 80s for them to be able to pull off dune in like a realistic way that was believable to watch like if you watched some of like that that 80s dune one um uh it that some of the cgi and like the special effects are horrible they’re stupid as hell like they look really dumb um now again this is like 1980 or whatever but um i feel like uh essentially villanue villa villanue is a great director i mean everything he’s done has been really great um he’s really good at the whole world building concept and just think about it dune is so massive that all these two movies are gonna end up being is just covering the first novel of doom there’s six novels that cover like the entire story of dune from start to finish and we’re talking about like you want to talk about world building on a grand scale we’re talking about like passages of time throughout the six novels where we’re dealing with like 10 000 15 000 years passing by um okay so from david jenkins little white lies top critic in the main it’s a stately film exacting and elliptical more in a slow release tradition of david lean than the candy coated insta high of the mcu that’s a little bit like too high brow for me um stephanie zacharik time magazine dune is sluggish in places my eyes glazed over during one or two or maybe three of the battle scenes but villanue’s conviction counts for a lot um i don’t agree with this already i can tell you right now from the premise clauis larae independent from the uk top critic the casting choice is poor it’s a small but noticeable chip in the paint when it comes to dune a work that’s otherwise of such intimidating grandeur that it’s hard to believe it even exists in the first place well that’s a hell of a freaking review right there because she flipped the script on that one it starts off with like the cast sucks to like this movie is like legendary yeah that’s that’s that’s kind of strange and that at the same time interesting like their thought process on the film you know it’s a small but noticeable chip in the paint when it comes to dune a work that’s otherwise of such intimidating grandeur that it’s hard to believe it even exists in the first place like that they even made it yeah like it just it’s it’s i think i think with a lot of that i think it just comes off like it’s she’s just basically saying yeah the some of the characters seem like they don’t necessarily fit with who’s playing them but the story itself is such a big scale that it doesn’t it doesn’t matter yes yes and the characters are powerful right the uh the individual characters are very powerful it’s a very powerful very emotional very dramatic very graphic and violent story um you know that deals with religion and deals with drug use and deals with you know um alien creatures like sand worms and [ __ ] i don’t care man like um if when you watch those dune trailers and you see the sand worm in the dune trailer it’s ridiculous i mean isn’t just the concept of the sand worms like interesting to you guys yeah it’s it’s a really cool like and and what’s funny too is it it reminds me of um like this creature in star wars but the creature from star wars was probably like modeled after the description in the books by frank herbert because that was written in like 54 or 64 or something yep and uh so it’s just like it’s really interesting to see those parallels and then being like oh that’s it from from an outside perspective it kind of looks like like dunes ripping off like the star wars and making it more dramatic and gritty and all this [ __ ] but in reality dune came before mostly the opposite yeah and although like a lot of star wars is um like different versions of like the uh like the seven samurai like the the the walk of the hero kind of thing um a lot of the aesthetic was was taken from uh flash gordon and dune like well you get these interesting like back and forth between uh these two different radically different uh sci-fi adventures and uh so it’ll be really cool to see like dune come to fruition and get that kind of attention that it deserves dune is so impactful on the sci-fi landscape overall that i feel like i don’t think that there’s a sci-fi movie that’s been made in the last like 50 years that wasn’t influenced in some way by dune you know i mean i can tell you one thing i i like i already um i ordered my book my first noon book it’s on the way i ordered it from a used books online website that i go on to all the time um and i’m really looking forward to reading it because everybody that i know who’s read it they’re really passionate about it you know what i mean like i’m passionate about it i never read a book one of the books i can only imagine what it’s like to actually put the time in and read one of these damn things and then really get into it um i don’t know about you guys but in my experience usually overall the books are usually always better than the movies that are made out of the books yeah nine times out of ten i mean it’s rare that that it’s the opposite it’s very rare there are times when it’s happened but um you know like i can tell you um you know like one that i can think of right off the bat that’s a good example would be the lincoln lawyer with matthew mcconaughey oh yeah really really really good book the movie was not that great it was not all that great i’ll be honest with you um but no as far as doom goes um back to the reviews steve pond the rap top critic a formidable cinematic accomplishment a giant mood piece that can be exhilarating it is dark beauty um diego garcia cinema spain always moving between extremes doom place to make us oscillate between the the hypnosis of its visions and the tachycardia of its action scenes what the hell does that mean i have no idea what that cardia is um guardian really people yeah yeah it’s an exhilarating it’s something that causes your heartbeat to uh increase okay dune first reviews from rotten tomatoes the breathtaking adaptation fans have been waiting for critics say danny villanueva’s new take on frank herbert’s classic novel is a nuanced well-acted feast for the eyes and ears even if only leaves viewers wanting more so can’t ask for more than that no not at all eric eisenberg cinema blend danny villeneuve villeneuve’s movie is a film interpretation that fans have been waiting to see for decades uh ben travis empire magazine for science fiction devotees especially those who have long worshiped frank herbert’s dense tome ville nueva’s dune is the adaptation you’ve always dreamed of um jimmy oh joe blows movie emporium it honors the source material in the most satisfying way possible dune 2021 is a modern day work of art enough said like i mean you know um i think i don’t think there’s really much else much else to put out there if you guys have any last remarks on like this whole dune you know thing um they’re actually like believe it or not there’s a guy on the podcast of champions that i like record with on the weekends and stuff he’s in the netherlands and doom comes out next week for them um oh [ __ ] yeah that’s like yeah next week isn’t that weird like them yeah that’s like almost well no not really because a lot of the times europe gets the movies before we do so that’s not it’s not shocking yeah we always we’re always the last to get films released versus any other country a lot of them like sometimes sometimes we’ll get it and then one other country that hasn’t gotten already will get it but majority time most movies come out over in europe before they come out here so well i feel like what it boils down to it the trailers are very we’re very important with dune in terms of like roping people in that don’t know anything about doom like you know that’s their first impression or their first taste of the dune universe and you know i mean well i could have played the dune trailer it’s really good i really enjoy it i know you guys have seen it too um it is a really good trailer it’s very powerful um the the movie looks gigantic it looks huge but i mean it’s going to boil down to how well they’ve promoted it and um you know how effective those trailers ended up being when it comes to the younger audience because you got to figure it’s the same audience that went to see shang chi for the most part that they’re going to be relying on to go see doom yep completely agree really agree they’re going to try to ride that wave that people want to see movies right now well that actually segues really easily and obviously i’ll set this up for you cyber this segues very nicely into our final segment because perry and i and cyber and i were both talking personally about this in the last couple days the fact that i think that the reason that they decided to release uh venom let there be carnage early is because of shang qi i would agree most definitely yes so our final segment tonight folks it we’ll be gonna show you the trailer the the second trailer of venom let there be carnage and we’re gonna discuss it a little bit a little bit for you guys and then that’s how we’ll close the show for you guys tonight uh this movie i’ve been waiting for it since venom one came out because i absolutely loved venom it was such an amazing film so this one looks just as good i mean it’s gonna be interesting to see what andy circus uh as a director is changes it up from the first film that we got from the awesome director scott rubin so it’ll be interesting to see what he does but this trailer is awesome so we’re gonna put it up for you guys uh mr jeff i’ve got two trailers actually if that’s okay with you guys i’ve got the first one and i’ve got the second one awesome i everyone in this world is carnage lady here we should be out there snacking on bad guys i am a predator i need to be free you have got to get control of your aggression we will get hauled off into area 51. you live in my body you live by my walls i’m sorry i don’t know what came over me please let me fix it again you are a loser eddie brock i want to give you my story people love serial killers cletus why me that’s mine it’s yours and what’s yours is mine i have tasted blood before and that is not it all i ever wanted in this world is carnage oh [ __ ] where you going that is a red one you need to come out right now i will let you eat everybody i promise oh yeah betty you feel like home to me like family oh wow you could just say i’m happy for you that was going to be us hey i’m happy for you no god i’m so sorry i’m sorry just tooting some serious couples counseling i say either you say either i say neither and i say neither excuse me yummy good evening eddie hey mrs chen good evening venom pro mrs chen he says hi one is you and i are the same every decision we ever make who do we leave behind and how do we leave them waiting in the darkness of the rescuer who never comes welcome back eddie brock it’s been a long time miss you so much soon come chaos chaos soon come on the chocolate delivery hasn’t arrived yet no we had a deal what’s gonna happen you gonna stop protecting me i am happy to eat mrs chen no no you cannot eat mrs chen what nothing my god those movies this movie looks like it’s gonna be absolutely amazing as the first one was uh freaking tom hardy as eddie brock has been a really great uh you know production i think he’s amazing as the character i wasn’t too sure about him until i saw the first one and then the performance he did in the first one i was just really impressed with him and so i’m waiting to see what he brings again to this table because he just was like so awesome the first film and just the whole i love the dynamic of how they brought him and venom together in the film and just like how they work together and this movie the second one looks like it’s just gonna be just as good um and even better with you know getting introduction to carnage too as well and uh it’s interesting concept that they’re bringing into it to where cletus basically becomes carnage by biting eddie who somehow i guess when he bited it bit him and got his blood apparently some of the symbiotic venom went into him and that’s what creates him into carnage it looks like that’s my take on what it’s going to be going by so this definitely looks great at you know what did you think barry yeah so i am i am uh i i liked the first one i uh i’m not as high on it as you are i i think that tom hardy did a great job and the movie the movie to me was like fun and i had a good time watching it and uh so i am excited for the second one because i thought the first one was like a fun exciting movie you know it it felt like what it was supposed to be you know it’s venom like becoming the main character which we haven’t seen in live action obviously in a in a good way and uh so that that portion of it is is fun and the dynamic that they’re setting up for the second one you know where you’re walking into the more the relationship rather than them like meeting you know it’s it’s been like becoming one thing it’s like now it’s like uh the odd couple sort of situation which is really it’s it’s gonna be fun having that dynamic and so and uh yeah with carnage being added in um it opens up a really crazy door of whether or not these characters are gonna be integrated into the mcu at some point which would be even crazier because watching spider-man and venom have to defeat like carnage and other symbiotes would be it would be a lot of fun especially since tom hardy is such a phenomenal actor and he does really well this role and uh so i’m excited for this um even if for me it’s it’s it’s more of the the fun you know like i don’t with a lot of people they go into they went into venom expecting like something with like how the mcu does things and it’s like that’s that’s not what this is like that’s not what it’s supposed to be that’s not what it’s trying to be it’s very much trying to be its own thing and i think it did a really good job being its own thing so now with the second one it’s great that they are making a second one because i feel like especially when you’re looking at like morbius which is a similar kind of uh situation where they’re taking a character that was is not an extremely popular character in a mainstream way and um that one i’m still i’m not sold on that one but uh i it’ll be fun i’m fun it did i’m just going in into this one just doing the same thing i did with the first one just gonna enjoy it enjoy it for what it is as like a venom action movie with tom hardy being a crazy guy with two personalities it seems you know and uh uh it’ll be it’ll be good i think it’s gonna be good i andy serkis is andy circus and he he’s a great actor he’s done well with writing he’s done pretty well with directing um so i’m i’m excited to see what he does with this one and especially adding woody harrelson in there like woody harrelson’s obviously the the og legend kind of thing so um i i think that’ll be great and like i said like people trying to say oh it’s not it’s not as good as the mcu it’s like well it’s not trying to be the mcu it’s trying you know it’s trying to be its own thing which it’s doing well being its own thing because it’s very distinctively different and uh so for that i i like it because it’s it’s it’s still marvel but it’s not the marvel that we get all the time you know it’s a different type of marvel and it that’s that’s what makes it fun to do you know that’s what makes it fun to watch and it’s like indulging like these different characters that don’t get the same kind of spotlight so um yeah i think the the the trailers set that tone and i think that i’m i’m i’m excited for it like i like i said i’m not i the first one i i’ve watched a few times and i enjoy it every time i watch it and i’m not like a crazy like i’m not like crazy into it as much as like some people are as you are cyber like you really like it and i really liked it um but i’m i’m just excited to enjoy it like that’s that’s where i’m at i’m just excited to enjoy it you know yep yep like i understand i completely agree how about you jeff well i’m gonna completely contrast you perry and this is why i’m glad to have you back because it’s nice to be able to bounce off of you like in our dialogue here in our discussion on okay first of all perry uh don’t think for one second that everybody in the whole industry wants to be like marvel studios they do they want to do they want to do things just like marvel studios they want the same success and the same like they they they see what marvel studios is doing well success is different than the style i’m talking about like the style it’s the gold standard what marvel studios is doing is like it’s it’s like record setting everything they touch you know what i mean so like at that point i think they’re they’re i i think that uh i get where you’re coming from i do like of course they had to go in a different direction because again it’s not a part of the mcu so like it’s a part of the what they call the um what is it the uh the sony spider-man universe i think that’s what they want it to be called now which is actually not so bad to say but um speed music they’re limited like they’re limited in what they can do and what they they can’t do and let’s be honest here we all know you don’t have to be a comic book fan to know this all right i’ll tell you right now when i was a kid i had like five different spider-man comic books at one time like i had five subscriptions to five different spider-man comic books that’s how popular spider-man was and like i watched and read all of the venom carnage stuff and everything as a kid and whatnot and um there’s i don’t care what they do with this movie there’s no way it can be as good as it would be if they had spider-man involved you know what i’m saying it’s that simple like spider-man makes things better just like the punisher throwing the punisher into any equation for me anyway at least as a fan makes [ __ ] better like i like the punisher but spider-man everybody loves spider-man i mean look at the freaking um record-setting trailer views on youtube for the spider-man 3 trailer like more than end game more than infinity war like come on man like i love spider-man but i’m not like a freaking fanboy for spider-man but there’s a lot of damn people out there that love the crap out of spider-man like he’s like you know cyber you know how addicted i am to watching those trailer reaction videos all the time and everything i watch those videos all the time and you look at people’s faces during like the infinity war trailers and everything and the biggest like smiles and like the most excitement that you saw from everybody in the reactions is when you see peter parker spider-man like that’s it like they’re like ah they’re freaking the hell out and everything you know they’re like excited for captain america they’re excited for iron man but then spider-man pops up and they’re like oh man like their arms are moving their arms and everything so i’m just saying like um i guess where i’m going with this is just that i’m skeptical about the direction that sony is going with this whole spider-man universe and everything um i’m not trying to say that i think that they should have just like given spider-man back to freaking like marvel studios and disney or something like that and been like here you go you guys can make better movies with with like these characters than we can so we’re gonna give we’re just gonna give this to you you know like uh hell no of course not um but i do think there’s a reality where depending on on again who sony hires to direct the films to cast the films to write these stories and everything and whatnot i think that um i think that basically what the what they have to work with the spider-man universe those characters that all those villains those you know like um allies like morbius that fit into that spider-man collective or whatever that they have to work with they’re limited and um you know i’m really like sick i’m i’m kind of like a little bit like over over like tired of like them just not telling us what the hell they’re gonna do sony and like marvel like or whatever you know i don’t know how the negotiations are now i don’t know if it’s sony versus disney or still sony and marvel or whatever but did they not like start working on like another sharing agreement for tom holland like last year or something like that and then i never heard anything about it again we thought we had talked about that yeah i mean go ahead basically from what i read what i’ve seen um is that they had been talking again like shortly before the the third spider-man was supposed to come out the contract that was with tom holland was going to end but they were already in talks for another negotiation for another set of films yeah and um from my understanding where the direction that they were going and what they were saying and all the articles i have seen is that eventually how what they want to do is that they want to take the tom hall holland spider-man that marvel has established put it into their sony verse films to interconnect the mcu with their uh their their mcu version and so eventually venom will pop up eventually morbius will pop up um that’s why in morbius we end up seeing michael keaton’s vulture character because they have actually from my understanding they said they’ve already came to another agreement that they’ve already processed it that but they haven’t officially stated what exactly it was so you think it was all planned already cyber you think that that like the reason why we saw um the vulture in the morbius trailers because they’ve already worked something out i gotta let my dog out real quick i’ll be right back okay yeah i think the like with this stuff it’s it to me i don’t get i don’t get hung up on like throwing like characters from the mcu in there like i feel like that i don’t know i just don’t i don’t set myself up for that expectation anytime soon in that in the in the grand scheme of it like i’m i’m always like in my mind going okay it’d be cool if like these connect in the future but um the way that i think they do it is more important than doing it like sooner rather than later just because of like people saying oh we need spider-man in here because it’s going to make a lot of money on this movie so yeah but like very term long term do you perry do you think that they will do you think we’ll see venom and carnage or like or like venom and morbius at the like and at the end and cameos on spider-man 3 no no i wouldn’t i wouldn’t think so i mean it’s it’s possible but i wouldn’t i don’t know what the point would be you know like the the thing is is they’ve already set up like all these things that are happening in like the venom the venom universe like the last movie um morbius is going to have its have its own thing going on like there hasn’t been any connective tissue so they would have to do a lot of backtracking um and maybe in a multiverse situation they can explain it but i don’t see that happening this soon i could be wrong obviously it just i i don’t think that it’s gonna happen especially when when they were directing and writing these movies um they didn’t have the deal written in stone you know maybe the vulture in morbius was with the last deal you know because it was supposed to come out earlier um that maybe that was part of the last deal and because that that trailer came out before uh the third spider-man was even like said okay this is when it’s going to come out that like even if you’re looking at pre-coved situations where they announce dates the morbius trailer came out before that even happened so in my mind that was part of like the last deal is getting the vulture in there to kind of tease things and then they had the whole dispute and back and forth about where spider-man was going to land and if they could come to an agreement and the whole discussion on whether or not that was real or not um or if that was just for press and to get attention towards it and that both of these companies look like they’re in it for the fans and that they really wanted to work this out for the fans like the whole nine yards you can get into like a whole thing about that um but well hold on let me ask you a question then and you too cyber you think it’s a possibility that there actually could be something worked out between sony and marvel studios where like both sides have come to the agreement that the best thing for the fans would be to put something together where venom it becomes a part of the mcu and so does morbiance and like spiderman crosses over the sony verse and everything so that we can actually get that venom spiderman team up versus carnage like the comic books have you know that whole premise where like you know like i mean venom can’t beat carnage in the comics by himself it’s with spider-man that he’s able to actually like you know fight back against carnage um and then overall it took the avengers to like actually like catch carnage and like put him away you know what i mean um so do you think it’s possible that like that i could see kevin feige at marvel studios being like you know what we’ll give up a couple hundred million dollars to make this work for the fans or do you i mean honestly or do you think the money is is just more important in all honesty when they were negotiating uh back in 2019 after spider-man far from home came out they already had put into the process spider-man 3. they had already had a plan already to make it because when they made the deal with tom holland for three films they already had what they were gonna do morbius now the trailer came out in late 2019 so right before covet hit and so morbius was supposed to come out you know in june of 2020 and then it ended up getting pushed several times down now not coming out until january of next year now morbius was actually filmed in 2019 so when those negotiations were all taken in and michael keaton was approached play the vulture again that whole connection with the mcu was their primary purpose of making morbius more base is to connect the mcu and the sony burst together they said that in all their press junket like when they were making negotiations and all that kind of stuff they stated that um that’s the reason why because like after the trailer came out everyone kept asking why the hell is you know the vulture in the morbius trailer why is michael keaton in it and so sony came out with a statement stating that that was their plan of connecting the mcu to the uh sony verse yes jeffy tyrese came out remember like three times or two times tyreese gibson came out and said flat out on like podcasts or whatever like in interviews this is gonna be in the mcu we’re gonna this is gonna this movie’s gonna be in the mcu yes i do remember that too being a part of like confirming that that’s what sony was trying to do that’s why it took so long for sony and marvel to come to agreement because sony wanted to be a part of the mcu and that’s the reason why their negotiations have changed and why they altered so much is because marvel at first really didn’t want the the sony verse to be a part of the mcu but in order to get spider-man they had to make that agreement so that’s kind of why these uh you know these kind of secretive agreements are kind of secret is because marvel really doesn’t want the sony verse to really be attached to it but the same time they have to in order to keep their agreement with sony yeah and hey why not make the best out of the situation right like if you you know if you’re gonna be you know stuck in a certain like you know kind of of a crappy deal why not make the most out of it and that’s why i just wonder um as much as perry i get what you’re talking about how they’re going in the different direction with venom i love tom hardy he’s great he’s a great actor i think he could play any any role or any character and be good at it to be honest with you i’ve never seen him do anything bad before like any everything i’ve ever seen with him in it was great um but um i feel like ultimately like i mean look the the mcu needs a morbius too um you know like so i i get where cyber’s coming from with the whole thing with like with morbius being that connective tissue like i really kind of get where he’s coming from with that um but um my last comment with this is just basically that on this topic is just that again like i said perry do you think that the money is what’s more important at the end of the day or do you think that like there that there’s a possibility that they can actually put something together for the fans i mean it i don’t think that they completely like throw away fan opinion they wouldn’t be where they’re at if they did um but i think when it comes down to it like sony sony banks on having these properties yes um and they’re not going to let go of anything at all like they they’re not going to sell they’re not going to sell the company like it they’re not going to be they’re not going to do what 20th century fox did um because i’ll tell you right now if disney bought sony at this point i it would honestly be getting to a point with this stuff with disney and these acquisitions where i would start to be like you know what this is getting kind of like monopolized almost yeah it’s not good yeah i don’t think that deal would go through i think that the commission the trade commission would uh i mean to this day that marvel that that disney bought marvel studios you know what i mean like i’m you know honestly like um you know i know it was a long time ago but uh it’s kind of crazy in a way you know what i mean at that point it would be like it just would to me from what i’ve heard if the rumors are true which of course are probably not but if the rumors are true then like sony’s already given like disney and ask like a price on what they they’d want to like sell the the rights to the spider-man character and everything and all the other characters back and it’s astronomical i would uh believe that that sounds about right so livestreamland we want to thank you for watching this tonight we’re going to be closing up now we’ve had a really great evening it was great to have our trio back of course you can find you know mr perry uh on his podcast the oc podcast on youtube uh you can check that out on him he’s awesome he’s amazing uh he’s a great guest it’s always enjoyed him having him as our co-host that’s great to have him back in a couple episodes of the recent weeks so it’s been great to have you perry thanks for coming on and of course yeah so proud oh just just the energy tonight was like things were more fun than i they have been like for weeks honestly perry it was just nice to have you back you guys are making me blush oh goodness oh goodness it’s too dark in your room to see your blessing sir man me and cyber are just happy to see your face well i’m happy to see you guys too this is i like i’m glad i’m glad i’ve been able to like come back for the like a couple weeks ago i was back and then uh with this one i was excited to come back and talk to you guys about it well we ended up going an hour and fifth an hour and 50 just because like we all enjoy talking to each other so much you know what i mean like so i you know what like at the end of the day that’s the most important thing most certainly most certainly so and like i said before people you can find me on youtube of course as well under cybernetic shark you can find me on tic tac twitter instagram anywhere you can look you know you can see my solos up there you can also see the mcu’s bleeding edge stuff there you can find us on our 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course of hopefully the next few months we’re gonna start really recording our uh our original stuff and start putting that out to the world and see where see where that goes wait wait cyber you want to see perry blush wait till we play some of perry’s music on the show oh yeah definitely definitely that’s great parallel definitely keep that in mind everyone out there in the live stream land definitely check out up the river band uh it’s a cool band i i’ve listened to to his music the covers that they’ve done at some of their live shows it’s really awesome they do a great job guys so definitely check them out too as well you’re welcome and as always people want to thank everyone for in the comments want to thank everyone for watching and that this is the mcu’s bleeding edge going out and we’ll see you next week

The What If…? Episode 7/8 Review Show Notes

so hello everybody out there in the wonderful streaming land how we all doing tonight welcome to the mcu’s bleeding edge we are happy to be back if you missed us last week we were not on we’re sorry about that but if you are tuning in today thank you for coming back and watching we appreciate your reviews anyway so to get us started here we have a great panel going on here of course we have my cohort up top there mr jeff sloboda we have returning on the panel as well the great and amazing lord death man great to have you here lord death man it’s fantastic to be here cyber shark i’m ready to go thank you awesome and we also have returning for the first time in a while it’s great to have her back miss sally the mcu girl who you might find you might find her podcast see you in the mcu which is a really great podcast definitely check that out and don’t forget to check out lord deathman on sakaar.net or uh freeform.net and you also will find him on the amazing uh podcast the champions as well he’s really awesome so we’re glad to have both of them here tonight and we’re gonna get right into this amazing uh episode so what we’re doing tonight people is we’re gonna be doing what if episode seven and eight for you guys so we’re gonna get right off into episode seven and talk a little bit about that and then uh we have an awesome new little segment we’ll be introducing later on tonight in the episode which is gonna be real fun we’re gonna enjoy so to start off with what if episode seven which is what if four was an only child so this one i know somebody close to me here doesn’t didn’t really care for this episode but i thought this was a fun episode i thought it was hilarious i loved the take they took with it and i was happy that a lot of the voice cast came back to portray their characters for the mcu so to start us off of course we get kind of that same feeling we did with the first thor film we all of a sudden there’s uh natalie portman’s character jane and then of course darcy’s character out there in the middle of nowhere in their van and there’s an anomaly that happens and that’s basically how the episode kind of starts and and so instead of thor basically having loki to it on his side he’s an only child you know odin gave back loki to his real family and so it’s kind of what happens with you know thor and kind of how he is as an only child which i think is it was really interesting so as we get into that a little bit so it starts off like that and then all of a sudden thor appears on you know on earth and basically says that he’s going to take over and then he wants basically a giant house party to go on on earth which i think is absolutely hilarious so my first question for the panel is what were your thoughts when he came down and at first said you know i’m going to take over you know the name of earth that he gives it what were you guys yeah midgard what was your guys’s first thoughts of when allison thor showed up and like acting like he was gonna be like taking over earth i started with you jeff oh i didn’t know what the hell was going on i mean you know what i mean like i was you know like just like it kind of always is with these what if episodes at first i’m like i don’t know what you know i’m just kind of just chilling there for a minute i mean um honestly uh i was you know i didn’t know what to think was what was really going to happen i mean when i realized he was going to like it was going to be party for and everything and whatnot i was like okay well this is different you know what i mean like uh you know like uh uh obviously this is gonna be uh i knew right there like okay like this is gonna be like a uh a light fair version of uh what if we’re gonna kind of go in a uh you know uh like like lord deathman says like a mystified kind of way basically um you know and uh you know it was at that point of the episode i was on board and um things had like you know progressed to where i was i was kind of interested as to what was happening i was okay awesome awesome how about you sally what did you think about that introduction to thor in this episode um i thought it was very fitting for chris hemsworth’s third character i thought coming to earth and be like party time very fitting especially from like age of ultron on thor was very much like that i would agree there i would definitely agree there most definitely how about you lord death man what were your thoughts on that introduction to thor wow i was a little disoriented to be honest with you so seeing or in this new context where he wants to party in midgard where he is an only child i have to say that it did take me a while to sort of get into the spirit of the thing that this isn’t one of my favorite episodes you know spoiler alert but after a while i kind of took to the premise and i said okay this is what it is so let me relax and just try and enjoy the episode for what it is um i like the cast of characters that you see as the story unfolds but i have to say it was a jarring introduction that thor the premise being that he’s an only child and as an only child he sort of is this he’s party thor right we had fat thor now we have party thor when are we going to get like grim thor or killer thor thor nice no well you know just a little bit of levity there but yeah um in a word i was a little disoriented but i was willing to give the premise a try awesome awesome amazing amazing did you have something to say jeff did you add your finger up sir yeah maybe we’ll get uh maybe we’ll get frog thor maybe he’ll come back uh we didn’t get alligator located thor and loki so but great now i want frogs i need he was in loki yeah alligator loki yeah so we already got alligator loki so why not a frog four that that would be uh hilarious now wouldn’t it spoilers yeah so another thing i noticed about this episode is all the cameos that they added into this episode i mean you know just like lord deathman was bringing out you know there’s the all the characters that they showed you know basically when it’s showing party thor and uh that’s what we’re gonna call them from now on party thor and uh you know it’s super funny like all the different people that showed up and we had throughout the episode we all of a sudden we had you know drax pop up we had nebula pop up even gamora we had you know how the duck popped up real quick and you know this episode after he comes down which by the way was voiced by seth green i don’t know if you guys knew that but he is actually voiced by seth green i don’t know yes uh redhead kid from uh the austin power movies as dr evil son all right okay um without a paddle uh and uh it was awesome like like finding that out and i was like cracking up because i was like wow i didn’t even recognize his voice because that didn’t even sound like seth green so i thought that was really interesting how good he is at doing voiceovers uh but like just the plethora of all the characters and even in this like this first party scene we see you know thor’s down there grand master is there and he’s like doing the dj and stuff like that which i think is absolutely hilarious and so as we go on you know all of a sudden it shows like they they’ve had a party next morning jane wakes up somebody’s knocking on her door thor’s there passed out and a few other people cory and stuff like that and all of a sudden there’s romlo there and so is colby folger’s character and knocking at the door you know saying jay we need to talk to you we need to talk to you um so what were you guys thoughts on that occurrence happening i mean did you expect to see you know maria hill in this episode or rumlow what were your thoughts uh start with you sally i wasn’t expecting rumlow but i was expecting hill um i don’t know why i was expecting hill i was expecting either fury or hill and fury’s in a coma or something so um yeah there’s that i freaking hate romlo after the winter soldier situation so hate him interesting how about you lord death man did i expect to see maria hill or rumlow probably not but it was a pleasant surprise to see them using these characters from the mcu as a part of the support to this premise and the knock on the door and the sort of hint that there was some action going on inside the room a little titillating there at disney being a bit risque uh i although i think there were two beds in the room but no i didn’t expect to see either of those characters but both of them were a pleasant surprise so i’m a big crossbones fan i do think he died a little prematurely in the mcu he’s a great villain and my only question is like is he a hydra agent here like under is he still undercover but working for shield and um you know you know it’s serious when you got to get rumlow and hill in on it to to kind of put the kibosh on party thor most certainly most certainly definitely on party thor if you have to get somebody in there to stop him you know you gotta send in your top agents you know what i mean so how about you jeff then we have rum low earlier in the um in the uh what if the avengers didn’t happen episode yes okay yeah so this is his second time that we had him in what if and actually i thought that was cool you know like just that alone that we got twice um that’s okay so yes sally i agree i’ll go ahead go ahead sally that episode was the one where the avengers were all pew pew pew pew murdered right yes yeah okay got it got it now i got it well well like lord deathman said i like crossbones as a character too um and it’s too bad that they killed him off the way that they did like that i really would have would i wouldn’t have minded if they would have kept him around in the mcu in some way i mean um i don’t know about the end of the adaptation of crossbones they gave us um you know was kind of i don’t know weird but um basically as far as like the what if episode goes um i was surprised to see shield and a happy to see shield because i thought to myself well they’re introducing all these characters from different thor films why not have shield you know like like from thor one be a part of the series you know what i mean um i worked surprised as hell that fury wasn’t there like maria hill i was like okay well where’s you you know um so that kind of like you know confused me a little bit and i i thought for sure that um didn’t fool wasn’t didn’t for and um and um geez i forgot her name like already um didn’t what didn’t jane and thor sleep in the same bed yeah probably we’re gonna have to in the episode in the episode no they’re not in the same bed they’re not in the same bed but it’s heavily implied at least i think so there was this there was a scanological comment at one point i can’t remember if it was darcy that said it or somebody said something that was kind of adult what the kids were calling it now something like that yeah yeah something like that yeah i thought it was kind of funny if something happened in the room guys uh we should all keep in mind that rocket raccoon was in that room and party thor is on a fainting couch and there are a bunch of baby goats so like not in front of the goats why do they keep making guardians of the galaxy a part of like anything that happens with space or something like that like i don’t because they’re a comedic element yes comic relief it’s the comic relief because they are all those characters james gunn made them very comic reliefy i mean anything drax says you cannot want to laugh at it i’m sorry you just can’t yeah i would totally agree that was pretty much it viper all right all right awesome awesome so so we have that interaction happen we get introduction you know introduction to maria hill and rumlow maria hill explains what happened to fury because we get a brief glimpse of fury he gets hit by korg as cory is running to make a cannonball into the the water the fountain there and so he’s in a coma as we’ve mentioned before so then then they get blown off into one of the ships for a shield and they’re basically marie hill’s explaining everything to jane and everything and that they need help to basically get forward to go back to asgard basically and that’s kind of like the introduction to more things coming up uh the greatest part about this episode is that one of jeff’s favorite characters is in this episode which i i just had to mention his favorite character who he absolutely loves her movie because she was just so fantastic captain marvel discussing no yes jeffrey yes jeffrey what would you like to say sir oh what are you kidding me uh you know what captain marvel was my highlight in this episode are you sure you’re not on drugs no no she really was i loved her i loved the animation version of captain marvel it was good awesome you know what i mean like uh my only like my only takeaway from the whole like captain marvel was i just you know when when she fights you know and everything with thor and whatnot um you know they’re punching each other like over states and like countries and everything and everything and you think that somebody you think somebody would bleed at some point a little bit you know like or like get dirty you know what i mean like you know it is cartoon so then thor’s gone i don’t think they i don’t think disney was like oh we got to make sure they bleed in this you know i don’t think that was a top priority but um yeah but it would be impossible like bio biologically for someone to get punched that hard that they’re going over state lines and not have at least a broken nose well yeah something like that most definitely so as more than a broken nose i would think yeah probably well don’t forget this is not in reality people remember this is fantastic it’s called fantasy sirs this is ladies violence yes thank you lord death man yeah so anyway so as so you know not talking about captain rebel um we haven’t gotten to her yet but so we have that conversation they you know jane gets in tuned with everything and then all of a sudden uh we’re back to where thor is down still partying and who shows up loki so what were you guys thoughts on loki popping up as an actual frost giant is is another good question i would like to ask uh starting with you sally what did you think about loki showing up as an actual looking cross giant why was he hot that was my thought why was he sexy i literally made a tick talk about this and then like and then my second thought was um wow loki’s here it’s a party now very true very true very true what are your thoughts uh lord deathman well loki’s always cool you know i don’t know if i’m gonna have to be the first to start a tom hiddleston fan club but i just love this guy’s team spirit to come back and he’s they’re like oh we have an episode where it’s like it’s a party and then like loki is a part of the party and tom’s like yeah i’ll do that you know right you don’t have to bring in a sub for me so i love the work ethic on tom hiddleston i’m just going to say that but you know i did kind of enjoy seeing loki rendered as an actual frost giant as the heir to joltenheim if i pronounce that correctly a part of me thank you sally jotunheim a part of me wonder why wasn’t he born sickly and small for a frost giant in this universe right so maybe the reason why they never became siblings because loki was born healthy uh maybe we didn’t go to war with the frost giants and and asgard didn’t have that confrontation so you you have them not growing up as siblings but they’re still friends because they’re kind of realm adjacent so they party together but i was like oh wow it’s kind of nice to see like a 9 10 foot tall loki rendered as an actual frost giant no enchantments to make him look as guardian and the dynamic is they don’t have that competitive dynamic that we know from the mcu mainline continuity they’re much more like colleagues of the realms you know they’re both like princely dudes who uh you know get together to party every now and again i also have to mention that there were some great cameos from a lot of the different races the skrulls i think he partied with um those gold fellas from guardians of the galaxy too he does himself he’s with a lot of different uh aliens and i was like i think even the cree get in on the action at some yeah uh so yeah it was a highlight of the episode to see giant loki and i hope that they can do that in live action at some point yeah that would be nice now i’d like to see that but i totally agree with the lord death man we should start a loki fan page because he deserves it or tom hiddleston’s fan page i definitely i’m down for that because he definitely deserves that i think tom nelson fan page believe me but i mean guys he didn’t have to do this you know he didn’t have to come back to do the voice for this little bit role he could have been like yeah get my sub in there man because i’m chilling with taylor swift or whoever the lady is of the month but he was like no i’m british and you know i’ve i’ve got my what is it their sag card i’ve got to go in and do this performance no one else can take ownership of loki and i love that about this guy yeah he’s amazing definitely agree definitely agree how about you jeff what were your thoughts on seeing loki as a frost giant my main thinking really was like okay well you know at that size any human chick that tangled with loki from a bedroom standpoint that night during the party or whatever like in the morning she was seriously hurting like and needing some pain medication you know what i mean like yeah let’s be real at the very least her iphone was messed up after it was over so uh anyway you know yeah i was kind of you know impressed by uh that whole aspect of that uh you know awesome frost giant sorry i heard something outside oh okay well uh oh you scared me for a minute there but uh yeah i know i was just wondering like you know like like like everybody else is thinking i think like you know what um how did he become that big like why did he like why did getting brought back to yodenheim uh make him become an ice giant you know like um that’s pretty much it you know what i mean like i i you know i thought it was neat um and you know lord destiny nailed it it’s nice to see that at least who came back to voice his you know role i mean so many haven’t you know it’s good to see you know at least that he did um but it certainly was unique it was unique to see him and that that that version of him i totally agree with all of you i think it was really awesome seeing him as a frost giant i was like when he popped up i was kind of like blown away i’m like holy crap he’s an actual frost giant i was like really like just kind of in awe because i thought it was so cool and and i just like the whole concept of seeing loki in that look too as well and seeing him as his actual race of what he really is and so i thought that was just a really cool concept and i’m glad that they brought that into what if so as we go on so that’s when all of a sudden after getting introduced to loki that’s all of a sudden when captain marvel shows up and basically her uh her and ford get into this giant you know battle basically we see them get you know start hitting each other they end up over you know in the united kingdom they take down stone hedge um they keep fighting it all of a sudden in a desert and you think you know basically captain marvel being as powerful as she is you know she would be able to take him down but you know he’s she’s not able to he’s still able to kind of defend himself and so we get we get a whole bunch of action sequences here with them battling each other and stuff like that and you know basically we see all these kind of crazy areas they go to when they’re fighting and stuff like that and you know that’s where that comes in where everyone was talking about how you know how can thor be punched into a crater and he’s not bleeding and stuff like that you know so definitely i can see you know that connotation there but i think these fight sequences were really well done and that’s my question for you guys what did you guys think about that action sequence did you was there anything you enjoyed about it anything you didn’t enjoy about it and do you think there could have been anything different uh let’s start with you jeff yeah the um again like i said the fight itself and captain marvel showing up was my highlight for the episode that was the main thing that i liked and i thought that the animation with captain marvel looked great uh when she was glowing a lot like like she was you know doing her whole you know super saiyan deal or whatever um i thought that was neat the way that they animated it looked really cool and um you know uh it was a little bit kind of like outlandish that they were like being knocked around from like different states and everything like that and whatnot i thought that was kind of like you know far-fetched but for me like i said the main thing for me was i loved seeing captain marvel um i think that was brie larson i’m not no i wasn’t no it was not okay okay bree was too busy to reprise her role but tom hiddleston was not i would have thought bree would have came back i really i really would have thought she would have but but so yeah that’s pretty much it cyber you know like i said just really enjoyed the fight um and um i i i still to this day i’d still enjoy seeing captain marvel pop up in something you know um it’s just uh her movie doesn’t do it for me very well said jeff wherever said how about you sally what did you think about that fight sequence um very uh they flew a lot they punched each other so hard that they were flying i have like no um notes today so like but um it was it was very entertaining to see them destroy something and then punch each other across the country or across the world it’s like a giant game of volleyball but with two superheroes and they are just punching each other instead of the ball they’re true they’re true i would everything that’s usually a slingshot but no because that didn’t exist yet yep they’re true very true how about you lord deathman what did you think about the fight sequence i actually enjoyed it quite a bit you know i found it equal parts amusing and very engaging and entertaining i like the way they imbued the fight with the personality of both fighters captain marvel really fights as if she were a cree soldier you know trained in a in a kind of i guess interplanetary type of martial arts she had a lot of blocks kicks uh good throws and thor stays true to his form with regards to just being a brawler he’s like look i’m just super strong and every time i touch you it’s going to hurt so i i enjoy the fight i i kind of don’t like you know captain marvel as this perpetual wet blanket you know she’s always kind of coming in to clean up a mess or it’s always sour grapes with her and a lot of frowning and all of this kind of stuff um they haven’t really for me at least dialed in the captain marvel personality um beyond her just sort of being semi-pissed off all the time um is her thing so uh if there was one criticism i had a fight about the fight that probably was it that you know it had to be her to kind of come in and be the wet blanket and the person who wants to stop the party uh whereas you know thor gets to be this uh kind of immature adolescent um but you still are rooting for him because everybody loves a party i believe they said party pooper was thrown around yes the word party paper is used at some point very much so yeah i definitely agree with you lord deathman most definitely yeah i could i could see her being considered like the wet blanket and stuff like that i totally see that uh very good observation i think and uh thank you for sharing uh so moving on so after their fight you know basically you know captain marvel goes back and you know you know basically they have a discussion you know that she failed etc etc and you know basically you know what their next options are and basically you know i thought you had to punch that kid you know cause a nuclear explosion basically and so they kind of come up and devise you know come up with this idea where you know she will do this punch and then they’ll launch a nuclear warhead to stop four so after that happens uh you know we see all of a sudden we see jane and darcy going and jane’s trying to get in contact with thor to let him know what’s gonna happen and so that’s when all of a sudden jane gets the idea of you know who else would for listen to as his mother and so then all of a sudden that’s when frida pops up you know eventually there uh after you know captain marvel and him kind of get into a battle again when they’re supposed to be taking out this plan and all of a sudden frida shows up and i thought the introduction to frida basically in that the main scene where she pops up and she’s like having like tea and stuff like with these other asgardian people i think was super hilarious and my thoughts or my question for you guys is what were your thoughts when all of a sudden that idea popped up in the episode and frida popped up and that you know they were going to have free to basically talk to thor what were your thoughts on them using that element in this episode uh starting with you sally dick move jane dick move like you the last thing you do at someone’s party is call the mom get someone to stop it that’s true they’re true are you true anything else um the cleanup scene was funny i don’t know a lot of comic relief with the goddess freya freya frigga frigga frigga let’s pull the yarn out of my sleeve okay sorry yarn is frigga the yarn is forgotten i couldn’t see it ally we couldn’t is correct by the way guys but she is frigga in the mcu she could be freya in the norse myths as well both all meaning friday i believe awesome thank you for that laura desmond that’s nice to know i knew how about you how about you jeff what did you thought about frica popping up love seeing heimdall you know anytime we get to see heimdall that’s that’s positive um i think that was the first time we saw him and what if so um yeah the having figured come down was cool i mean it’s what i figured was gonna happen kind of you know like i figured that’s the direction things were going to go like that’s the one person that’s going to be able to stop him from like being party thor or whatever and rectifying his behavior so um it seemed very you know um uh you know it seemed like a very good move on on jane’s part to actually interject herself into things the way she did and get frigga um down to earth i thought it was kind of you know when howard the duck married darcy i was like are you kidding me like no come that was funny you’re not for inter species uh romance i’m i’m a opportunity guy when it comes to that stuff but i mean um you know i’m just saying um should we be worried about any horses around you jeff or ducks oh my god no i’m good but um no i just uh when that happened i was like okay well everybody told me the direction the episode was going really you know what i mean at that point i knew like they’re going fantastic it’s gonna be full-blown comedy yes i would agree full-blown comedy that that like the whole scene where you know all of a sudden freaking pops down you know and starts talking the thor and he’s like no i’m in my room doing homework and stuff like that i just started cracking up so hard it was so sick of funny because that was like perfect that was like totally what you would have to do to get like you know a teenage boy to really kind of stop this you know bring her mother into the situation i thought that was so funny that’s right sorry how about you more death man what did you think about freaking popping up yeah that let me tell you guys i’m gonna be honest with you i watched this episode two times the first time i watched it you would have had to have climbed the empire state building to get up to my high horse on how much i didn’t like this episode because you know i was like this should be serious man this should have been a real premise what’s going on here this is like it’s a comedy it’s for kids you know so i was kind of there with it on the first watch but then you know after you watch it the second time and you’re kind of aware that you’re going in this comedy direction i was like freya frigga i’m sorry showing up uh right yeah gotta pick one yeah showing up really is in line with the trope that they were trying to express in the episode it’s weird science right you know these guys use their computer to somehow make kelly lebrock you know that a commodore 64 can’t make a supermodel but you go with it right because it’s it’s a funny situation and eventually those two kids uh spoilers for weird science if you haven’t seen it they got to get everything cleaned up by the end of the movie and there’s you know a lot of quick typing on them but what i’m just saying is that they they were following a certain trope if you’ve ever seen the 80s sort of animal house weird science any of those revenge of the nerds type films this this was really um a homage to those types of comedies and i thought it’s perfect that the parents are coming home although if you want to be one of those sticklers for mcu continuity and physics it took frigga way too long to get to midgard via the bifrost that should have been instantaneous but thor had like hours and hours and hours to get the place cleaned up but again you know i feel like what if is a little bit more relaxed you don’t have to be like a continuity nazi you can kind of sort of check your brain at the door and just have fun with some of these out there alternate scenarios so yeah i thought it was in line with the trope i thought it made a lot of sense and i was anxious to see what was going to happen when she showed up i literally heard of none of those movies you guys just mentioned yeah yeah i know your homework is google weird science rdj your favorite actors in it you’ll see him as a teen in that one no i love robert downey jr i just don’t like iron man that means wow they’re the same person i just spoiler too funny i feel like being reminded of that douchebag in high school when i’m trying to enjoy a movie okay i get that kind of vibe from tony stark huh yeah i mean yeah i mean he’s a playboy philanthropist you know you know party boy like kind of like party thor so i can understand that i see where that where you’re coming from there i can totally see that entropy thing he has done throughout all of the movies as a philanthropist yeah a ton of money to mit for a bunch of duty students to finish their thesis projects yeah and civil war oh that’s one i mean he they don’t show him in the movie but that he’s a philanthropist yeah that’s that’s his generalized term of who he is so okay but anyways the only thing i could think of before you said that was donating them into painting to the boy scouts in like iron man 2 or something yeah he does that too but i don’t think they end up doing that because he was you know high on his own medicine um anyway so going moving on so i think one of my all-time favorite cameos that popped up in this film or this episode i should say was suitor from thor ragnarok i think it was absolutely hilarious that he popped up on this and he’s like he’s like singing and dancing and he like he gets tripped up in the phone lines and he’s burning them that was absolutely freaking hilarious i absolutely loved that whole portion of it i thought it was that was perfection for this episode of liberty very much so yeah and that was just really fantastic so as we move on though after that you know you know frigga comes down and is speaking with thor and he’s given all these excuses and stuff and then she’s like oh i have to see this for myself and decide you know she’s gonna come and so that’s when all of a sudden we go he goes into basically panic mode and it’s like asking everyone gonna help me clean this up you know because my mother’s coming and stuff like that so you know all of a sudden he gets out there and he’s like he’s like you have to listen to me and that that absolutely cracked me up to that portion of that scene where he’s like doing that it was absolutely funny but as he goes on you know he’s asking for their help and so then you know basically he goes and he fixes everything he’s you know messed with you know the the the frost giants messing with mount rushmore and all that kind of stuff and what you know basically fixed in the tower the leaning tower of pisa which was already leaning so he didn’t need to fix that but i thought that was pretty funny and you know basically gets everything fixed and then he’s got like a group of people and when frigga pops up and he’s like oh yes i’m teaching as you can see yeah you know and that was absolutely freaking hilarious too it’s just so fun and that’s basically how the episode ends with you know basically him kind of like getting away with it kind of you know just like in any of those 80s movies as mr lord deathman was talking about especially like weird science and so forth and uh i think that’s just a fantastic way to end it and i just thought it was all around a really fun episode so my final question on this episode is what was your overall take or overall feeling of the episode starting with you sally thor likes to party and is that person who’s like all right i need this to be clean in three two one and you all need to be out in like 30 seconds she’s that kind of mom okay okay any other thoughts on it um no teacher ever would have all of their students sitting on the ground and be next would talk about that’s just that’s just not how teachers are you’re never been to other you haven’t been to other countries because they do do that in other countries yeah you’re right i haven’t no teacher ever in america and i believe they were in new mexico or nevada nevada so yeah very true very true how about you jeff what was your overall impression um well like lord deathman said it wasn’t one of my favorite episodes um i knew i i understand the premise of it i get it like you know there was a light episode it was it was comedic and i know there’s people in the mcu fandom that enjoy that kind of thing i do i get that so you know just because i didn’t really care for it doesn’t mean that i i don’t respect other people liking it you know what i mean um i just felt like um it was a bit too comedic for me too silly um and you know i like the darker stuff so this was this was not dark um but i still liked captain marvel being in it and shield and it was cool it was still a fun episode um i don’t know if i had to rate it one through ten i’d probably give it a two wow wow gotcha gotcha opinions opinions people opinions all right lord deathman to finish this episode off what were your thoughts on a whole of the episode sir well my overall impressions of the episode i’m kind of in sync with jeff i was a little disappointed by the episode itself uh i thought the tone was a little too comedic i also felt like they were leaning a lot on those tropes from those 80s comedies that we talked about a little bit earlier so a part of me just doesn’t feel like um it just felt it lacked a little sophistication and they might have been talking down to the mcu audience with this particular episode but i will admit though on a second watching i enjoyed seeing a lot of different character moments i loved giant loki he really saves the episode for me and him tinkering or tinkering around with uh the iphone you know and relaying thor’s messages even i as serious as i like things to be had to sort of you know your heart kind of warms to that kind of comedy but i’m i’m kind of in jeff’s camp i’m in a two 2.5 space with this particular episode it feels like the type of episode that they wrote because they needed to give the writer some breathing room to focus on a couple more serious episodes it’s like we’re at a breakneck pace writing these scripts it’s real tough in the writers room we got to get this stuff to the animators but uh can you give us like a freebie can you give us an easy one so that we can crank out in episode number eight where it’s it’s just like a a finely tuned instrument if if that makes sense guys kind of like thor ragnarok before infinity war giving us one last fun little laugh movie before ripping our hearts out that’s gonna that’s a good analogy i guess yep yeah very much so all right guys so that was episode seven so moving on to episode eight my friends episode eight so episode eight episode eight is what if ultron won so this was an interesting title i definitely thought this was an interesting topic uh and i thought it was you know definitely something that was uh you know something to explore especially with you know at the very end of episode seven all of a sudden we saw you know we see ultron in vision’s body so that was nice to see that they actually finally transitioned one of those end credits scenes into another episode so that was really cool did you have something to say jeff graham sorry no i’m okay okay looked like you had your hand up so that’s what i was asking anyway so so episode eight so basically it starts off we see black widow and she’s battling you know ultron’s force and you know we have this like huge battle going on and you know basically we’re reminded of you know oh we did defeat ultron but what if he actually had one and he was successful in bringing his putting himself in division’s body instead of vision becoming vision and all of a sudden we get you know we get a glimpse of you know black widow and stuff and she’s kicking butt and they’re fighting ultron’s robots and then all of a sudden clint barton pops up too as well which was you know interesting and all of a sudden he has a robotic arm which i thought was an interesting take i don’t know what your guys’s thoughts were what were your thoughts on that that’s my first question what did you think about all of a sudden clinton barton having a robotic arm in in his introduction into this episode starting with you sally i didn’t realize clint barton was a cyborg but uh i guess he is now um it didn’t really make sense to me like what context did that happen in yeah yep yeah i don’t that’s that’s what i was thinking too uh like why often did clint have a you know cybernetic arm like they didn’t really explain that at all in the episode either so i thought that was kind of interesting uh how about you lord death then what did you think about all of a sudden clinton barton popping up and having a cybernetic arm listen i hate to go off topic here but i have to profess my love for ultron as a villain he’s one of my favorite avengers villains and i just thought that that had to be on the record right here loved on the record uh ultron is this iterative villain in the comic books you get ultron one ultron two ultron three you know he keeps stepping up the ladders in terms of improving himself with each new iteration that you see him and i think every ultron fan’s dream is to see ultron unlimited and that’s what this felt like you know he finally climbed the the highest heights of supercomputer evolution but as for clint and his uh abrupt and sudden prosthesis and becoming a cyborg i think that might be a send up to the age of ultron comic book that came out way back in 2013 i’m not sure if hawkeye in the comic book has a robotic arm but age of ultron in the comic books is kind of a what-if scenario in which ultron finally wins and i know that some of the characters in that story had weird prosthesis from all the warring and fighting with ultron’s forces they’d lost limbs and had to have them replaced so this could be a reference to that as far as the comic books but i will say it did you know seem to come out of nowhere and they were trying to create that surprise moment when he gets shot and his arm gets torn off the first thing you think is wow he just lost his arm right and the writers do that purposefully to sort of create a little moment of surprise and then they kind of um reel you back in by saying you know what it’s a robotic arm don’t worry mcu fan we got you there is even a sort of hole where the shoulder should be where the arm like would connect to the body i don’t know what that’s called so either he’s a cyborg or it’s yeah a joint or there’s just a hole in his arm and the and there’s like metal or something but that was a socket that was a metal socket so he’s a cyborg i’m gonna go with that all right yeah yeah i mean yeah like i was saying before i was like really shocked all this and he had a cybernetic arm and i was like that’s interesting take so that’s great thank you for uh enlightening us with that lord death man on the what if comics and the ultron comics there and uh giving us kind of that little bit of the history there because i i didn’t know about that so i want to thank you for that so as the moves on you know basically the watcher tells us you know basically what would happen if ultron had exceeded he gets into vision’s body he’s now you know in vision’s body he’s done what he’s supposed to do and then all of a sudden he decides to basically you know create basically recreate the world and sends off this giant nuclear uh explosion to basically destroy the whole world so then all of a sudden after he’s done that all of a sudden thanos pops up and what happens to thanos he gets killed by by ultron and i was like holy crap like this i i was like and he just like saws him in half with his the basically the mind stone and i’m like holy crap so my question for you guys is what did you think about all of a sudden thanos being taken out so quickly like that in that scene starting with you lord death man oh man earlier today i got into such a dust up on the interwebs with folks who were like man thanos shouldn’t have been taken out that easily and that quickly and you know like the real nerd stuff where everyone thinks of thanos as the ultimate sort of uber villain top of the food chain and there’s no way it could have been a single strike he didn’t get a word in and i will say it did happen a bit easily as far as my estimation went it did seem to be kind of abrupt i wish thanos had it was more of an exchange and it didn’t have to be a long one as long as thanos had gotten in a line or a blow i might have been a little bit more satisfied but here’s the thing right again just like with hawkeye’s arm getting blown off and trying to create that moment of surprise and delight for the fans that’s what this thanos thing was the writer sacrificed keeping the internal consistency in the physics of the mcu that says thanos should not be able to be stopped by a single laser but he traded it in for that quick kill that got the effect from the audience that they wanted which is we were surprised and we’re talking about it so i was okay with it in the end especially in this context of a what-if alternate type story yeah i mean at the same time i was like wow that was like you know like you were saying you know i can’t believe thanos was taken out that quickly but the same time i thought it was an interesting concept that it was that simple to at the same time that’s what i i appreciated about it is that they did right you’re absolutely right there cyborg good call yeah because i i would say that they did you know it was interesting to see you know the most you know that we’ve known since the beginning you know thanos coming you know we finally see him in infinity war we’re seeing him an end game you know this person that supposedly considered you know the greatest threat like you were mentioning earlier and then all of a sudden being taken out back quickly like that in this episode was just really interesting refreshing i thought uh how about you sally what did you think about thanos popping up and being destroyed so quickly if thor had gone for the head that would have happened in infinity war ii also i was focused on the fact that again impossible that there wouldn’t have been any blood or gore so that’s what i violence that’s what my mind goes to well if you think about it though the mind stones basically kind of like a laser so a laser basically would cauterize all the vessels in the body and you wouldn’t bleed out so if you think about it that way never taken us to school cauterization yeah so you know so that possibly could be about it too but you know cartoon violence you know we go ahead sally you would see some kind of insides somehow even if it was just a burnt husk you would see insides ah so you want them to go real graphic with it they did in the zombie episode why can’t they hear her different team different animation team yeah yeah good point i just like gore there you go add one more thing to this discussion one more note about this fight yes interesting irony about how thanos is killed he’s cut in half and you know if anyone could have done it i would have given it to ultron to immediately assess the threat and come up with the most efficient way of destroying his target thanos wanted to have the universe and ultron had him so i do think that you know that that was intentional a little bit of comedy there on the part of the writers i’m wondering what the hell happened to wanda and pietro but i don’t i was so focused on the gore that is true yeah what happened to wanda and patreon that would be interesting that would have been interesting to see them in the episode most definitely yeah so once once you know so once ultron has killed thanos he basically inherits the stones and he ends up basically you know creating a almost like an outer layer from himself that looks just like ultron where the basically the gems are now injected into and he basically has ultimate power so going back to lord deathmatch talk about this being the ultra ultron so we see him do that and he basically it empowers him now to like take care of the whole universe now and do what he wants to do with the universe and so slowly it goes through different places that we’re familiar with different you know planets that we’ve seen different characters and stuff from that he starts to go and obliterate so first he you know he ends up taking out asgard which i thought was kind of interesting that’s the first place they decided to go and destroy because i’m thinking maybe he thinks thor is probably one of the biggest threats to him maybe i don’t know they didn’t explain that or anything like that but that’s just the thought i had on it so as he slowly goes and destroys all these places you see you kind of see the watch in the background going oh crap how did you know what’s gonna happen and then all of a sudden you know after ultron has completely done what he’s done and he’s basically got no purpose you know that’s when he also discovers multi-dimensions oh the multiverse ooh the multiverse and i thought it was interesting too that they had him kill off ego i what were your guys’s thoughts on that that them including ego into his destruction through the different planets and so forth what were your thoughts on that how about starting with you sally what were your thoughts on that ego was horrible anyway ultron is just slightly worse so of course he’s gonna kill something that’s horrible because he’s determined to make like a perfect world and he thinks it’s evolution or something but like you can’t have evolution without living beings so true true that’s what ego was really i think if i remember correctly he was evolution okay he was a living planet yeah he basically was born from nothing so yeah evolution would definitely be i would say the you know key for if you know you go back to the comics or if you were to like maybe talk to the writers maybe that’s what their thoughts were he was like evolution kind of i definitely could see that how about you lord deathman what did you think about them having ego a part of those planets being destroyed he takes out quite a few major forces in the mcu cosmology at many different scales so he goes after asgard i think it’s pretty obvious why those guys have been responsible for keeping order throughout the nine realms they represent the most orderly armed army threat to him he goes after the sovereign if i remember correctly i think he also got the guardians of the galaxy but to yeah question about ego i think ego represents a celestial right yeah a massively powerful target that could intervene with his plans right but again you’re going to get the nerds who say well why didn’t he go after a celestial and why didn’t he go after the eternals and you know it could go on and on but i think they were trying to choose targets for ultron that represented different power scales so you could say hey here’s a team of cosmic adventurers with the guardians he took them out here’s the sovereign right a race that’s sort of um obsessed with perfection here’s the asgardians a very well-known fighting force so they were just trying to give you a variety of different scale power scales i think in terms of the people he was kind of offing when they were showing that montage very true virtually i would i would have to agree with that yeah most definitely because that’s my thought was as it was showing the different places was power he was taking out power that could basically dethrone him basically and that’s what my thoughts were uh exactly so as as we move on so that happens and all of a sudden captain marvel pops up to try to stop him and basically ends up getting destroyed uh as well which is you know kind of interesting because you’re thinking oh you know captain murphy seems pretty impenetrable so the fact that he’s able to destroy her with the infinity you know gauntlet or basically you know the infinity stones that was interesting i thought as well so after that happens you know like i was saying before he he now has he’s completed his purpose and he and he’s basically all alone and that’s when the watcher comes in and starts talking a little bit about it and then that’s when the multiverse comes into play because all of a sudden ultron uh discovers that there’s this other realm where you know you two you you want to what however you say his name um is watching him from and so that that’s when he starts to try to go and attack him and that’s all of a sudden when it pops back up on earth and we’re once again we’re seeing natasha and clint and they’re trying to [ __ ] they’re trying to find basically information to help with stopping ultron and that’s when they get the idea to bring out zola into this which i thought was really interesting that they popped him into this episode so my my other question for you guys is what did you think about them all of a sudden bringing back zola who you know we hadn’t seen since you know you know winter soldier and him being you know this integral you know computer system and they actually have you know still having where he’s still existing which was at the hydra station that was where the winter soldiers were being created so my official question is what did you think about them bringing him back uh starting with you sally what did you think about them bringing zelda back i love zola as just like well first of all a character he’s a very interesting character and then i love him as like the little part of like the little mole that was in shield within shield that grew hydra from within and um i always enjoy seeing computer zola on screen uh yes it’s bringing me back because i so much filter in film or in the theaters on the night it came out because i was that obsessed with captain america by that point and when i saw zola on the on the computer literally the entire theater just started clapping hmm that’s cool that’s cool yeah i mean it it was definitely interesting to see them bring back toby jones uh doing the voice over for this episode and also bringing that character back in ameri captain america the winter soldier as well getting him back and stuff like that which i thought was really cool um how about you lord death then what did you think about zola popping back up in this episode well i love zola and i loved the opportunity to see him again and props to toby jones for coming back to do the voice on zola i don’t think anyone else could have pulled it off quite as well as he does that sort of exaggerated germanness uh which i’m sure german real german people must cringe at actually exactly the uh i’m sorry swiss german uh to to which is a different variety of german altogether uh thank god he’s not austrian because then that would have been another discussion but that being said um always good to see zola back but i thought the plan was half baked it’s like you know i’ve got a quantum computer that i need to take down i’m gonna go into my high school locker and grab my atari 2600 to try and get the job done zola versus ultron at this point it was a foregone conclusion that that’s like the root kit that won’t work so i thought the plan was a little half-baked but i did enjoy seeing zola come back yeah i definitely agree there yeah it was kind of like what they were when it was kind of going on and like they’re like oh we’re going to upload you tell us and i’m thinking of myself i’m like you do realize this computer this computer is like ancient and ultron is like a sophisticated you know mechanism basically pretty old [ __ ] computer like how are you gonna i don’t see how you can upload that to that i’m sorry i just don’t see it so yeah definitely i definitely agree there with you lord deathmat on that most definitely that was a very uh plan there but that whole you know what um basically you know after you know they put him into the uh into the arrow and then they upload him into the one robot and the one robot isn’t able to uplink itself again they’re fighting the robots and stuff like that you know we keep going on and uh basically you know it ends up where you know basically cl sacrifices himself in order to for black wood to get away kind of to me that was kind of an old match i think the end game to me that’s what i thought when it happened like it was kind of like for those people that wanted clint to sacrifice himself and in game i think this was kind of like you know marvel’s way of kind of reversing that and giving us what we wanted at first you know and not have black widow pass you know away basically and uh i think that’s was a really cool homage to you know black widow a little bit so you know once they’re up there and she’s still talking to zola basically you know he’s like why weren’t you able to upload he’s like well it’s like you know he goes through all the schematics stuff like that and you know basically like you were saying that playing you kind of you know backfires on them and that’s when all of a sudden you know they got to come up with another plan that’s when the watcher shows up to basically try to help them out i think that i you know my next question is you know what did you think about the actual watcher being able it finally starts to interact with actual people in the mcu because you know till this point we just saw him in the background he’s talking about what’s going on and stuff like that he’s not allowed to intercede so what were your thoughts about him actually finally starting to kind of actually participate in the episode uh how about you sally what did you think about that um i thought like at first it was like comic relief like guys it’s right there it’s right there and then it was like really really really like dark it was like a fight between ultron and um the watcher and that part was like messing me up because there were so many parts of the multiverse that weren’t um explored yet like steve being sworn in as president what um that part was i started screaming oh hell no the minute clint jumped and then i just kept screaming oh hell no oh hell no throughout the rest of the episode okay okay i i could see it being a no hell moment yes most definitely i can see that no how about you lord deathman oh i loved it first off the action in this episode is top notch you’re eating well as an mcu fan in this particular episode you get so many great homages like the one you mentioned where clint is the one to sacrifice himself as opposed to natasha you get black widow wielding the red guardian shield in a kind of inverted captain america type situation so this episode was right where i needed them to be in terms of the level of energy and effort that they put into this but that watcher uh utah fight was a highlight because i thought america chavez was going to be the first person to kind of punch someone into another reality but it just happens to be uh ultron unlimited like i mean one punch from ultron sends you into another universe just conceptually that’s just off the the charts that’s where i love to be in speculative fiction science fiction fantasy um the fight is just great i loved the episode as you can probably tell by now when it comes to reactions and verdicts but that was the true highlight of the episode the ultron um watcher fight i totally agree that was a fantastic fight i mean all the different places they end up going through and fighting um and just you know shows you how much power also the watcher has as well you know because we really didn’t know what his power would like we knew he was powerful but we didn’t really know like see any of his powers so it was really fun seeing him use his powers in this episode and give this this like really awesome fight and it you know kind of gave us like an idea of what the watcher could do if he ended up using his powers to intervene and things because that’s one thing you know if you notice ultron says that to him he’s like you why haven’t you intervened in any of these crazy things that have happened you know and he’s like you know i gave her this oath i can’t break that oath you know and when all of a sudden ultron opens his mouth to basically like engulf that area where they’re fighting in that like middle scene i was like what the heck is going on here it was like he was just a really big bite of a doughnut i was like holy crap i’m like that’s insane and yeah that’s just a fantastic ep what’s the what i think jeff is having some well rather cyber is having some technical difficulties and jeff fell off a little while ago so we may have to run the stream together sally oh [ __ ] you want to keep it going well the watcher’s face should have been mush but but um he’s a he’s a basically a god so i guess his face wouldn’t be sticky much by it looked like he had almost like sort of cracked his skull open with this kind of refractive energy he was kind of firing into his skull at one point but i’d imagine you know the watcher is a quick healer and also thinking about it you know they’re multiversal beings right uh and i love the fact that they pay that off from the comic books for the watcher that he is this guy that sort of exists on these multiple planes so i’m guessing no idea what i’m doing but keep going uh anyway um i’m i’m just saying uh yeah uh damage might be relative when you get to that level of power so yeah um i don’t know do you i don’t know what i’m doing ladies and gentlemen at home uh this is the voice of lord deathman we just want you to let you know that we’re having some technical difficulties in the stream we seem to have lost both of our co-hosts but sally and i are here uh hopefully they will return soon so please do stay tuned for more of the mcu’s bleeding edge yeah i don’t know what i’m doing but yes well i i mean i i will um sort of fill in for cyber here and just sort of ask the question i think we’ve gotten through most of the main beats of the episode which was his plan but really what was your overall impression of the episode how did it compare to say the last episode for you sally um i enjoyed it i thought so um i enjoyed it but i also had no idea what was going on for like most of it in the sense that um the the premise wasn’t making a lot of sense to you or were you just like unable to kind of follow the action i was unable to follow it i i got the premise i got the you know what if ultron won it’s a pretty simple one yeah i got that i was just sitting there like holy [ __ ] holy sh sorry holy sh holy sh and then i was like oh no when clint sacrificed himself and then for the rest of the episode i was just mourning the loss of clint while also watching and being like holy f holy fruit i don’t want to say the f word right i hear you though yeah there were lots of surprise moments in this episode so i think it was a huge comeback from the previous episode which i was a little soft on because it felt like kind of a little bit of a throw away so yeah i think i think this is what marvel does at this point it gives us like a couple of movies that are like or a couple of episodes that are like funny or fun or um campy or something and um then just makes one that completely shatters uh your perception of what’s been going on like for for me it’s thor ragnarok and then infinity war i have this theory that thor ragnarok was sort of the last fun thing before they rip our hearts out right before we get to business as usual like infinity war style heartbreak yeah and thor ragnarok rock was represented that sort of brief respite that we’re gonna get i could i could see that i could see that but um they always manage to turn it around so i think they’re gonna bring back the positivity positivity shortly after we get thor love and thunder but um i know cyber was hoping to sort of do a breakdown of the hawkeye trailer that came out recently i don’t know if you’ve had a chance to see it sally oh i’ve seen it and i’m pretty pissed christmas christmas is like my least favorite time of year and it takes place like during christmas and it’s so just no wow is is it just is it like seasonal affective disorder what what’s um what don’t you like about crispus my uh family is mostly dead okay my sister my aunts my parents and sister are fine just to clarify got it the answer fine but everybody else is dead i understand so it wouldn’t exactly be the most wonderful time of the year for you but putting aside the put it putting aside the holiday theme for a minute i mean do you think the series has potential or is this going to be a no-go for you because it’s set around christmas too i mean christmas i’m i’m pretty excited to see kate in this and the callbacks to ronin and endgame and stuff that’s what i’m excited for i’m gonna ignore the christmas part for a minute and so like i know that um are you a comic book reader have you read matt fraction’s my life as a weapon so i got into the movies when i was 12 and i’ve only picked up one or two comic books that are like black widow i’m not that into comic books as a medium but i am very much into movies i might have to pick up the comic books at some point but uh i only heard one and it was on my kindle and it was years ago and that’s totally fine i think the mcu at this point can kind of accept all levels wherever your trajectory is coming into the fandom be it animated stuff live action from the old sony fox universe or if you’re just coming in on the mcu movies themselves but i have a feeling that this hawkeye series is going to borrow heavily from my life as a weapon which is a pretty renowned hawkeye story out there which has the introduction of the female hawkeye of kate so yeah a lot of it’s going to come from that that’s a really great story there’s a lot of humor and heart in that story and it’s so esoteric and weird um i i wonder how casual audiences are gonna respond to some of the things or how much they’re gonna keep from the comic and how much they’re gonna put in but um yeah just um so i know the christmas thing sort of bothers you but um was there anything that that sort of looked like uh uh a highlight in that trailer for you uh just the callbacks to ronin and game and stuff those those were the only parts that i enjoyed thoroughly right and also like that his family is back and that he’s like trying to put ronin behind him and he can’t yeah yeah uh it’s also kind of interesting that hawkeye is sort of having to put his family second again so that being said um i see cyber just dropped in a a note uh saying that he’s looking forward to haley seinfeld you know taking on the kate bishop role and i think we’re all excited for haley seinfeld because she’s such an exciting dynamic young actress who does fantastic work um so i thought it was a huge get for them when they announced that she was in the cast i mean how do you feel about uh haley never heard of her before the hawkeye thing but okay um she seemed pretty badass in the trailer well uh you are in for a treat because she is an exceptionally talented young actress uh she was in a transformers film recently she’s been in a lot of kind of young adult sort of comedies and dramedies and things like that and she’s always um she’s probably one of the most talented i’d say top five actresses of her generation and she’s a perfect fit for kate bishop so really looking forward to that yeah but um the mcu always has like perfect casting so they do they’re attracting a lot of great talent you know people want to be a part of it and the good part for us is that not only do they want to be a part of it because it would enhance their own profile but they always bring their a game no one wants to be the weakest link in the mcu uh and i’m pretty grateful for that at this point so it’s easier for them to attract top talent retain that talent and um that talent is going to do their best to sort of perform uh at a high level but one last thing that we absolutely have to talk about with regards to the hawkeye trailer rogers the musical what what’s your take on that it’s oh my god is that the cap is are they making captain america musical well there is a musical in the mcu about steve rogers and it’s called rogers the musical and it’s sort of styled uh if you’ve ever seen rent uh either the movie or the musical i’ve heard of it well it’s it’s kind of in that style uh um they’re getting some young hipsters to play the parts of the avengers that’s exciting um people are more excited to see rogers the musical than they are to see hawkeye that’s really up it is i the only musical number i know involving steve rogers is the one that i am not going to sing right now but the one from the first avengers oh yeah you guys do not want to hear me sing well uh i’ll take your word for that but you know it’s not not mandatory for you while you’re on the mcu’s bleeding edge um but i just wanted to get your feelings on that because uh that’s been spreading throughout social and the internet that’s the big meme from the hawkeye trailer rogers the musical that sounds so fun yeah and they really did it so well because obviously they shot a lot of this in new york and they they dressed um an actual playhouse in new york with rogers the musical posters and banners oh my god they did it digitally right so because had they done it on location while they were filming it would have been much less of a surprise because everyone would have known about it because of leakers and whatnot hurts my heart like like cgi blood hurts me this early we’re gonna have to get to the bottom of that at some point sally you’re gonna have to sort of unwind that whole cgi blood thing but oh god it just looks so cheap flying through the air so it’s got to be the 3m formula blood uh flying around to make you a happy camper it’s going to be like realistic realistic looking and like gore or realistic looking blood i want that not to go off top topic but um have you ever seen sin city no but i watch a lot of horror movies well you should add if you’re looking for realistic gore i think sin cities up at the top there for comic book movies for comic book movies in the genre there’s plenty of places you can get other realistic gore and other genres and so forth and so on but we’ve got cybernetic shark back in the chat telling us that rogers the musical is going to be a lot of fun so uh even cyber knows about this particular meme it looks like you’ve got some catching up to do sally i’m going on tumblr like right now blood galore is intensity that’s good to know it is thanks cyber we’re going to give you some homework here on the mcu’s bleeding edge when you get off the line here when you get off the stream google deadly little miho how do you spell mijo wait wait i’m gonna hold her give up oh god rogers hold on hold on sorry what i’m checking the spelling myself i was about to give you an incorrect spelling i’m like wait a second is that how it’s spelled yes deadly little mijo as in m-i-h-o okay got it that’ll be worth your while that will take about four minutes of your time and you’re gonna love it i am staring at a gif of uh rogers the musical and it looks so fun they’re just spinning and power posing only the mcu at this point can make something because you don’t really put comic book fans and musical fans sort of in the same proximity usually but now you’ve got die-hard comic book fans enraptured with a fictional musical about steve rogers so only the mcu could bring those two types of fans together sitcom fans comic book fans there’s a lot of cross-pollination going on when it comes to the mcu yeah so uh you know i’m glad we had a chance to chat about this sally you’re uh you’re wonderful to speak with i’m so glad we got the chance to talk about the hawkeye trailer i do wish that cyber and jeff were with us but they’ve obviously been detained so i am going to ask you if you want to continue the discussion and talk a little bit about phase four in terms of uh projects you’re looking forward to i haven’t even googled phase four yet so probably not fair enough fair enough um did you get a chance to see shang qi not yet no i i am completely against like renting something when it’s in theaters and i don’t want to i don’t want to like beg my family to let me see this in theaters because they were apprehensive about letting me see black widow yeah the character i saw that in theaters the day after it opened nobody was there practically empty theater i was one of like 10 people and now that made me very upset yeah it was a little distressing i was also in a semi empty theater for black widow the second time i saw it but what did you think of the film did that um hurt your experience there the lack of an audience no not really i loved the film yeah it was it was a very good send off to black widow i thought so cyprus was packed i think we discussed this on the last time i was here okay okay i missed that episode but um good to hear that you enjoyed the film so um episode one of what if was that podcast ah okay okay yeah so uh i wonder if cyber is still in the chat he oh he is and he does say that his theater for black widow was absolutely packed oh i’m glad to hear that i i had a semi-packed theater my first viewing and then an empty one the second one so um yeah i was lucky to get a viewing in theaters because like my parents were my parents are so crazy like paranoid i believe it is a very big deal but i i’m fully vaccinated so i feel that like at this point telling me you know don’t go to theaters even though they’re mostly empty is like pointless well you know parents are gonna worry you know i mean i know you’re a grown woman but um there’s there’s no getting a parent to stop worrying about their kid no matter how old they get so i applaud them for being out you know for looking out for you um thanks we should wrap it up cyber cyber said we could okay i’ll call death when we’re done with this all right oh this has been one of the strangest but most exhilarating podcasts i’ve been on i ended up turning into a guest host as did you sally so uh what i will say in wrapping up this episode guys at home i hope you’ve had a good time chatting with us as far as what if is concerned both episodes seven and eight and the hawkeye trailer which we discussed here if they make a musical of rogers the musical you can bet that cyber jeff sally and myself are probably going to be the first ones online to see that yes and um i would love to let you know all of the social details in terms of where you can sort of reach out to the folks on the mcu’s bleeding edge you can certainly find some of them as the car the board that i am affiliated with which is uh sakar.freeforms.com please do remember to check out the podcast of champions where jeff is a frequent ho guest and he actually guest hosted our last episode so you definitely want to check that out when we get it up online but um sally thanks for joining us here today on the mcu’s bleeding edge and um i hope to see you again on our next one hell yeah all right be well everyone peace and cut i guess they’re gonna have to sort of deal with the um deal with the the sort of post editing on that so i guess we can both just drop off the stream now sally uh uh this is a little awkward for me and i’m just trying to improvise here but uh later guys oh wait follow me on tick tock at saw the mcu girl and um my listen to my podcast at see you um the words see you in the mcu well you know what sally let’s do another take of that because they’re gonna probably have to cut that in uh i’m gonna count it off and you do it on three okay one two three follow me on my tick tock at sally the mcu girl and follow me on uh anchor or wherever you get your podcasts at see you the words see you in the mcu all right thank you for that sally and to everyone else out there take care night cut you foreign oh oh oh 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The Review of What If…? Episode 9/ Venom 2 Review

so well hello there everybody good evening it’s yet another uh live stream uh show here on the mcu’s bleeding edge and we’ve got the whole squad here once again uh week five revisited we’ve got cybernetic shark my co-host how you doing cyber good good good as always we’ve got oh we’re lucky to be blessed to have perry ramsay back with us what’s up harry what happened oh yeah yeah the perry oh yeah well we’re happy to have you yeah we got some good stuff to talk about so i’m excited yeah we do me too um we’ve got uh some uh what if episode 9 review type material here to give for you and then we’ve got some venom 2 review action going on after that should be fun so let’s get right into it we like to keep it you know pretty concise here on the mcu’s bleeding edge so you know right off the bat starting right off um you know uh we are just so i put it out there we are expecting lord deathman to potentially pop in and make an appearance um in his uh deathly skeletal you know state he may show up for a minute and say hello but we don’t know for sure but um he’s always good to have lord death man so you know we’ll take him if we can get him but um you know um so basically what if episode nine i just wanted to start right off with just asking everybody’s general consensus you know what what your thoughts were on the whole episode so starting off with you cyber since you seem to really enjoy it how did you i did really enjoy it i overall i thought it was a really fun episode i really enjoyed it i liked how funny it was uh i loved floor again i thought he was absolutely hilarious he kept you know put those in the room that don’t understand can you please re-explain that for us that was absolutely hilarious it was on point perfection for that episode and just the whole atmosphere of it them fighting ultron the watcher intervening and then you know bringing all those different characters and getting finally gamora into the picture there for you it just was really fun and enjoyable i just really enjoyed it excellent perry yeah i i really enjoyed it i thought it was a really good episode um i think uh i think they did a good job not dragging the whole season out too long and making it like too much and i think they did a good job kind of keeping it at like this nine episode kind of arc and kind of bringing everything back together that was really cool that like um all the things that kind of felt like they were like a serialized episode episodic kind of thing going on uh kind of came back all together with this episode um i think i liked the last episode better it i it’s the same thing with like infinity war versus end game i like infinity war more than end game not because like i think end game is bad or anything but just that the tension that you get left with at the end of infinity war was the same with the last episode um so it was kind of like that same feeling and then you get like that like uh the finish of it you know you get like the climactic like fall and uh resolution and all that stuff so it was it was cool um i really enjoyed it and i think we can dive into some other stuff once jeff gives his opinion and then we’ll we’ll see where we’re at with that well i mean uh that’s a good point perry um do you guys do you feel like the the nine episodes was the perfect like like you know i mean i mean cyber do you think that the nine episodes was just enough i would have liked ten i think ten is a good magic number uh but definitely i mean nine it’s okay but i i would prefer ten i think that’s a little bit more even than nine is so uh but yeah definitely nine’s okay so like in the beginning perry when we thought that there might be like 18 episodes or whatever at one point remember like um do you think that it’s a good thing that they didn’t go in that direction yeah i think um i think when it started i was like oh yeah just do 18 of these these are really fun like like individual episodes like the episodic like they don’t really like matter to the whole uh like arc of what we consider our main mainline uh timeline for the mcu um but then uh like i feel like it would have gotten it would have just felt redundant if it went for 10 more episodes of like not anything coming together coming out of it in terms of like um any actual uh like connection to anything so i i think it was good that they they kept it relatively short and um gave like those bits and pieces of the serialized uh episodes and then also then came back and said okay well we’re gonna bring those all together and just kind of like do this through this little like side side end game kind of thing for two episodes and uh i thought that was i thought that was cool and uh if they decide to do a second season which actually i have an idea of that too and we get to that but um yeah i think it was good i think it was a good way to do it cyber yeah so what i think happened is they actually did do 18 episodes they split into two in order for season two because season two is supposed to come out beginning of next year yeah so so i think that’s what they actually did do 18 they just they split it into two gotcha yeah that makes sense yeah that would make sense that they would do that like that it would be cost effective um you know but um yeah i mean my basically i mean i i really dug i i really dug the initial scene with peggy carter um kind of like reliving uh captain america the winter soldier or whatever what you know that initial scene or whatever i liked that i thought that that was cool cool use of her um i like i like the fact that they brought george pierre back and everything and whatnot you know that was cool uh but um basically the i was surprised to see the watcher just like pop up like that right off the bat i didn’t expect that to happen um i i was surprised we got the watcher in the last episode which you know i got to be honest with harry i agree with you i thought the last episode was better too um i liked the weight of it and i loved hawkeye and black widow being in it and i also definitely am like an infinity for an infinity war fan over end game i am like that’s my that’s my favorite mcu film probably is infinity war there’s just an energy and an excitement that comes off of that movie that like the pace is just unbelievable at times but is anybody was anybody surprised that they did connect these episodes like that like cyber pointed out that’s three in a row that they did was anybody surprised or shocked that we got another continuation in this episode perry did you were you surprised at all or um i wasn’t i don’t maybe surprised isn’t the right word but maybe like um i don’t know i felt like it i there was like the two options and um the way they kind of advertised it was one like was that everything was gonna be one-offs or i guess maybe they didn’t even advertise it that way other people just assumed it was going to be like that and that that’s what kind of that’s what the conversation became um i can’t remember but yeah i mean i still don’t know whether or not i would have preferred whether anything like if it just was like nine episodes of one offs or if i prefer this um i think i think it i i was yeah i wasn’t shocked by it but it definitely was more like okay like they’re gonna they’re gonna make sure everything has its place like in their entertainment like it’s not gonna be like uh these they’re not gonna at this point they’re not gonna take anything out of the universe and have it not matter like they want every this this makes them this is what is uh this is what they’re showing that everything is gonna like have its place whether or not it has a huge impact or a low impact everything is going to have its place so that was kind of the interesting part for me was whether or not they were gonna say no we’re gonna have stuff that just doesn’t fit in and we’re gonna do our own thing with like these animated shows or even the animated shows are gonna have a high impact you know so that i think that was more of where i was uh like kind of going back and forth on whether or not i preferred one or the other but yeah i i i enjoyed it i think it was good either way but yeah it was uh i think that was part of the more part of the discussion for me was whether or not they were gonna do one or the other well there is there is an actual there is a comic book you know um precedent with this because there were what if series in the comics where like they would do like a part one and a part two of a story because it just was too long on i don’t know cyber i you weren’t surprised right i assume by the you know the connectivity and i i want to believe that like as marvel fans like we are don’t we don’t you almost kind of expect them to want to like have that connective tissue going well yeah with any story they want to have connective tissue i mean look at all the first 20 films they are all connected in some sort of way or another so i mean it’s not surprising that they would connect several of these what-if episodes to each other especially when they gave post-credit scenes on a few of them to say oh we’re coming back to this particular story especially i mean the first example of course is kurt russell’s character ego at the end of the t’challa star-lord episode we got that little incred scene of him seeing peter at the dairy queen and so we knew eventually they were going to return to that and then once we got down to them finally introducing you know the ultron you know version and doctor strange taking in all those creatures and trying to become powerful to bring back you know his love you knew that those were all going to combine together at some point you could just tell just how they left it so in any marvel situation that’s they always want to connect the tissue and make sure that we get a full story so that they can tell the full story of the comic book or whatever they’re trying to explain did you guys feel like um did you did you guys feel like they’re like they they kind of stuck with us a certain cast of characters across the span of the nine episodes in a way i was just thinking about that like cyber going right back to you do you feel like they say they kind of at least in these nine episodes taking into consideration what we just talked about that there very well could be the next nine could be you know different characters maybe like you know that will get more play but did it seem like they kind of like wrote they went with like a sort of like you know certain roster to work with well yeah i think they use characters that people are already familiar with to continue those stories for people that say they weren’t satisfied with how the mcu took care of certain characters um say you know a lot of people i know were very upset with endgame killing off you know tony killing off black widow and so forth you know infinity war killing off gamora so forth and stuff like that so i’m sure that because everyone’s so familiar with these characters already and they haven’t dealt really into other characters yet i mean we’re slowly getting there you know with chiang chi just being introduced you know you know in black widow we got introduced to a few other characters uh you know that time will come but at this point they’re thinking you know when they were probably constructing what if they’re like well we got to go with stories we already know so that we can expand on that and like do an alternate reality of what that could have happened so i think if they try to do characters that we hadn’t known yet it i don’t think it would played out the same well also there’s the whole nostalgic effect of getting to see these characters that we love from the mcu from the infinity saga and um if i remember correctly perry i thought the whole premise was that like they had like recorded like 18 or 22 episodes with all of the characters from all the all of the you know the uh the 22 or whatever mcu films in the infinity saga so that very well could be what we get for season two you know what i mean does that make sense yeah yeah and like if uh if and i think it makes what makes a lot of sense of what uh cyber was saying where they they’re it kind of feels like a part one and a part two i guess to this like um in a sense where it’s uh they had these nine episodes and if they and if they’re they did the night if they did the 18 and then we’re getting season two uh early in the year next year um then it’ll be interesting to see where they take it from here in terms of trying to figure out like the whole multiverse aspect of it i’m wondering if uh i’m wondering what the idea was in terms of like if they did those 18 originally and they were gonna release all those i’m wondering if those were supposed to come out like i can’t remember what was supposed to come out first in regards to uh like things like loki um doctor strange and uh spider-man like the three that are really focused on these multiple timelines um i’m wondering if they wanted to time them more so that like this multiverse aspect of it like the what if stuff was coming after and maybe that second half of that those 18 episodes that they originally were gonna have for season one uh also gravitated more towards what goes on in those movies and but i’d have to i’d have to look to see where the original release dates were pre-covered um and see where that was at but that kind of seems interesting to me now like now that cyber said that that makes a lot of sense that they might have the timeline of releasing might have been screwed up and they would be releasing things at different times with uh different stories not being able to be shown because they were they they tell uh like intertwined stories with movies that haven’t come out yet yeah yeah the the culvert effect and everything too you know go ahead cyber well the timeline that got screwed up for marvel um was black widow eternals and shang chi all those were pushed a year away from what the original reason okay so if anything if any of those episodes those another nine that are supposed to be a part of episode or season one i should say if they are anything about chiang chi anything about black widow anything about uh you know the eternals i feel maybe they decided to split it because they have to do with that because they haven’t come out yet so i mean if because of kovan maybe that’s the reason why i got split like that but i do know that those are the only three films actually dedicated to 2020 that they had to move everything else is been in place um except for i think anything that was in 2022 is the only other stuff that got shifted everything for 2023 2024 all that is still uh proceeding yes properly it’s just those two years that were screwed up and we did get we did get um the red guardians shield last episode with with black widow so like there was that tie-in with the black widow film yeah think about it you know what i mean i had i kind of forgot about that whole deal but like that did kind of go into the black widow film territory so they are they showed they’re not afraid to go in that direction but um you know what do you guys think as far as like likes and dislikes like what what worked for you in the episode what didn’t work for you with anything potentially in the episode uh kind of maybe you thought detracted from it maybe um perry starting off um i don’t think there was there was too much where i was uh like taken out of it by any uh by anything in a negative way um i think it’s always just the uh like it there’s always that like uh undefeatable character that the heroes always end up beating and i think that’s always like i mean that’s always gonna happen with superhero movies especially um but i think like it always just seems like the plans come together and it works out and all that stuff and uh um like uh black widow takes like the perfect shot like the whole nine yards like everything works out um but it uh i think and then with the especially with the animated stuff like there’s a lot more of the suspension of disbelief a little bit like you let a lot more things go when it turns when it comes to those things because it’s 22 minutes like they can’t sit there and be like okay and uh as soon as i make this move you make that move and i make this move and you make that and they can’t like break it down for the audience and like over explain things and all that stuff so um there’s a lot of leeway when it comes to animated stuff too so it didn’t really detract anything to me it just like i said i like the other one better just because it felt like there was a little more weight to it like there was like that anticipation anxiety for the next episode um whereas this one it the conclusion always is like the okay cool like that was nice and then but now it’s like okay and i’m okay waiting for another four or five months until the next one comes out to see where they take it with the like that the next nine season or the next nine episodes but um yeah i wouldn’t say there was anything that i like really disliked um there was the likes i i thought it was really cool that they brought all these different characters together um and like they were different from the versions that we know and i think that was perfect because it keeps things interesting and it also calls back to the other episodes and all that stuff so um that was also a nice addition for me because like we like i think we’ve said it before we’ve already seen the other uh we’ve already seen the other characters we’ve seen we know our own characters from our mainstream timeline and so it’s nice to like see how these other versions of the characters fight and how they think and how they do things and that also makes the fight scenes more interesting because we don’t know what they’re gonna do in a relative sense because they’re not the same people you know so i thought that was cool the fight scene was so it was beautifully animated um there was a lot of really cool shots in there so that was that was fun to watch and appreciate the artistry that goes into these episodes um for me i really liked again i noticed i already said this but when peggy carter dropped the shield and threw down with uh baitrick um bactrack you know i like that i thought that that was really neat and when uh the watcher picked up uh party four that really showed the real scale of like his size compared to like a normal look like size person so that was kind of neat you know like to give people a real good impression of like how big the watcher is you know like um although he varies in size but how about you sniper what do you think likes dislikes i i know you really liked having party thor back i love party thor he’s the best uh basically for me there was nothing the only thing that i found annoying about this episode which i had the same problem in the last episode is the guy they had voice or ross mcquan voicing ultron that’s the only complaint i have of any of these two episodes i can’t stand his voice normal like that it does not sound right with ultron i did not like it how we talked um but everything else i thought was on proper quote point in this whole episode i loved it the animation was awesome everyone else’s voice work was good i’m not a big fan of like belle doing scarlett johansson’s voice but she did do a start doing a better job as the episodes went on she sounded a little bit more like scarlett um but i love dr strange the this uh eternal supreme doctor strange i think he’s really awesome cool he has all those different entities in them and stuff like that i think that’s super cool uh i liked how they you know they basically ultron this version ultron uh ultron supreme i guess they call him um you know basically he’s almost indestructible you know it takes him almost the whole episode to try to stop him and uh i just like that the infinity stones were in play again we got a little bit more to see with those and you know peggy carter kicked butt uh and i it was nice to see gamora involved in this episode too i thought it was really cool she also i think it was bad ass that she was uh holding uh actually which is really funny uh thanos’s sword from end game if you notice that that big one that he used at the bat unbattle and end game he was she was wielding that sword of his which i think is really awesome too uh just all around a really awesome and fun episode so yeah the only dislike i had like i said was uh ross macquarie’s take on ultron yeah the double-edged sword from end game from thanos was a dope sword that was like a really cool weapon man i mean seriously it looked heavy too you know like to me like at least you know what i mean so i was kind of surprised that gamora could heft that thing like that but um i agree with you i i i think james spader was excellent as ultron in age of ultron so i would have much rather have seen him come back and voice ultron because i feel like he just like really did a great job um i i don’t care i like i i talked about this in the podcast of champions and i’ll mention it now too age of ultron is like an underrated film in the mcu like a lot of people just don’t see you know like to this day they don’t some i think you’re probably new mcu fans out there that don’t even realize how good age of ultron is i mean it’s sandwiched in between the avengers and which was like the greatest movie ever basically at first you know and then infinity war and end game and sandwiched in between there so but it’s a great movie like it’s it’s really watchable for me anyway but um yeah all right so what about ratings for this episode one let’s let’s do a one through ten on this one cyber what do you think ten oh throw it out of ten yep all right that’s simple is that your is that more to say is that your first ten for the for the whole series or no no the party thor’s episode was a 10 for me too okay okay all right um perry 8.92 wow okay hey you know what i mean uh i’m surprised a little bit to tell you the truth but you know i mean you know i basically i would i would say again for what it is for for it being animation and you know what if and everything and you know which is not going to be everybody’s cup of tea i’ll give it a solid eight i’ll give it to eight i would say um and if i had to if going back you know if i had if i had to rate the last episode i would have gave that like a 9.5 i think you know um i just liked it better i liked the characters we got to see and i love hawkeye and and black widow’s relationship and everything um yeah but are there any final thoughts from you two in terms of um kind of just wrapping this up with this last episode and also with what if kind of being like you know in the rear view mirror now um you know do you guys have any final thoughts you know that you want to put out there about any specific episode that came out or whatever or you know just any any closing thoughts um cyber uh basically just you know i think in a whole the whole season was fun i thought it was pretty decently uh we mentioned this before i feel like it started out good kind of went downhill a little bit and then regained steam at the end of the season uh i definitely think that it was a fun i’m not a huge fan of the animation for this uh series but it wasn’t too shabby uh but and all in all i thought it was really interesting i wasn’t too sure how i was going to feel about this series when it was first being announced it was coming out uh you know i like cartoons to an extent i like certain cartoons more than others uh so i wasn’t you know i was hoping that they stayed pretty true to the mcu because mcu was very dear to my heart and i was hoping that they’d keep it pretty much mcu accurate as possible you know besides changing it up for you know this what if it was different it happened uh and i thought they did just a whole all-around really good job i really enjoyed it i it was fun reviewing all nine episodes and uh i’m looking forward to the second season and see what they bring for us and that that’s right and that’s a good point you know i just want to point out that um uh i missed an episode we actually missed an episode one week perry where i didn’t feel very well um and um that was unfortunate it broke our streak but um the last show that we did um i didn’t feel well again and cyber had to step in like and really just handle everything and which he did a great job of course but then you know just had a small technical issue there at the end of the show and lord deathman stepped in and like wrote you know and sally the mcu girl and him rode things out and finished up the show and i really appreciated that you know that was really great of lord deathman to do that and cyber believe it or not i made a shout out video to lord deathman on rizzle and it actually got 14 000 views which as you know on rizzle is like going like freaking viral practice yeah i mean so yeah um but uh perry same thing to you like you know do you have any closing remarks on the episode anything you want to say about the what if series or yeah it’s pretty much uh similar to what uh cyber was saying it’s it’s a it was really cool just to get like different glimpses into different parts of the uh like the multiverse that um it has taken the forefront on what they’re gonna do moving forward um at least for the next year or two and uh so it’s cool to get like get to the point where at the end of loki where it kind of bursts open and then um and then you get what if where it kind of explores that idea more and kind of i i think it was a good uh for for the people so like i i’ve tried to explain like how the multiverse works to people um that are like fans of the mcu but don’t like do kind of what we do where we like analyze it and read the comics and watch videos and learn and all this stuff and they just watch the the stuff as they come out and that’s that’s what they know and uh um so like we talk about it and i’m like oh yeah and then there’s this this this this this kind of idea these people and i think this was a really good way to kind of like uh intro people into the idea of the multiverse like i think this was like it’s kind of ingenious in a way um to make it like an animated show seem like it’s not like too heavy it’s just something fun that they’re doing to kind of like show what kind of things are gonna start going on in a relative way um so i thought that was really cool and i like for me like kind of knowing what was going on and i’m sure you guys felt the same like you kind of you’re like oh yeah the multiverse and there’s different universes and they’re all kind of different and like that’s part of it and these are fun episodes but for other people that may not have a lot of like exposure to that kind of idea this seems like it was like the perfect uh like kind of like baby food here comes the airplane kind of stuff uh into that idea um in preparation for spider-man and uh like doctor strange and all that that’s a good really good point perry i think that you guys both made really good points but i think that’s a really good point it is a good vehicle for the multiverse because let’s be honest here i’m sure that all of us have probably had a conversation or two recently where we’ve had to try to have to explain the multiverse to somebody and it is kind of like it’s not difficult to explain but it is a lot to like unravel kind of it is yeah it’s like a it’s like a can of worms and it’s just like you find one like you you’re like a ball of thread and you’re just like you pull on one you’re like oh and there’s this part of it and then all of a sudden you’re like oh and then there’s this that oh you should probably know this and there’s and then there’s the the vocabulary like i mean what like what what are they are they are they like different dimensions are they different realities are they different universes like and all you say is oh you say to all that is yes potentially whatever word comes to my mouth is the one i use to describe you know i usually stick with like their different realities yeah that’s how i that’s how i see it but um okay so um evolving on into the evening or you know whatever day night you know whatever time it ends up being whoever ends up watching this um oh and i also want to meant to do that i you know honestly guys that no i’m not going to plug anything but i just want to say that i really appreciate all of you that catch our videos when we’re not live because our um our actual viewer watch times for our our videos are sick like our average watch times like they’re like 47 or 48 minutes like per person so you know say what you want about our stats like the people who do watch our videos they sit and watch the videos for a long quite a long time you know what i mean so yeah that’s killer there’s other youtubers on on you know out there that like are bigger a lot bigger than us that wish that they had watch times like that on their videos you know so we’ve got some really loyal people out there you know what i mean and shout out to everybody out there that you know that made that happen but so getting into venom two um i saw venom two last night um and uh on a date um which was interesting um it was interesting day it definitely uh you know uh interesting woman uh hard hard to fear hard to kind of hard she’s kind of hard to read a little bit one of those kind of kind of women um but it was good we had a good time and um i think cyber when did you see venom over the weekend last thursday oh last thursday okay so venom uh cyber got right after it when venom came out he was ready to rock and roll um and perry when did you see venom uh it’s saturday or sunday afternoon one of those one of those days okay well all right to start things off i’ve got an interesting little question here okay going into with your expectations for venom 2 going into the movie and everything and whatnot were they met at the end of the day when you have you watch the film and you were sitting there in the theater right after the movie was over and you first thought to yourself like okay how did i what did i think of that like were your expectations met or were you a little bit disappointed or did you get more out of it than you thought you were going to uh what do you think perry um i don’t know i i think i think my my expectations weren’t very high so i guess in that sense like they were met um i i didn’t i didn’t hate it i didn’t i didn’t not have a good time watching it i thought it was fun uh but there was a lot of uh like it’s an hour and 37 uh it’s an hour and 37 minutes and it uh it just felt like there was a lot of jam-packing characters like character development into things a lot of things that felt like um like they were trying to like it felt like they were trying to cut it down too much where some things got left out and certain relationships didn’t feel like warranted or it felt like they didn’t like uh like that venom and carnage like their relationship the relationship went from being like oh you’re the reporter that i i sent for and like two scenes later they meet once then they meet again and all of a sudden it’s like this weird like they don’t like each other anymore or it just felt like the development between the relationships were weird um a little bit but so i i didn’t i didn’t hate it i didn’t think it was on par with like what they could have done um i like the first one better for sure um and once we get into like the the the rest of the story and all that stuff we’ll we’ll discuss that more but um overall i think it was i think it was fine i don’t think it did anything great for the characters either one of them like carnage or venom i don’t think it like progressed um i don’t think it did anything special for either of those characters um i also don’t think it uh i don’t think it negated anything i think it was just it felt meddling i guess like in that way okay cyber going into it i was expecting you know pretty much the same as the first one that’s that was pretty much what my expectations were for the film and they gave me that and they gave me more i absolutely loved this film even though it was short shorter than the first film which i i do agree with perry that there was probably things that they could have added into it to make it longer and to you know definitely put out everything you know maybe explore some stories better most definitely i get that uh but at the same time i thought they still did a decent job of giving us what they needed to and uh i did thought it was odd that it was so short but at the same time it still gave me everything i was looking for he gave me more great tom hardy venom time which i was absolutely looking forward to i think there he is amazing in that in that position right there where he’s talking to himself and he gives a great all-out performance and it just it gave me everything i was looking for i thought carnage was really great i was surprised the route they decided to go with carnage and how he was created and that it was being pretty much like an offshoot of venom that was kind of interesting uh but at the same time like i said he gave me everything i was looking for and i thought it was very good i thought it was just as good as the first one okay um and so for me i would say that i think that my expectations for the film may have been a little bit too high uh just to be realistic i think that maybe like i walked i walked into it maybe expecting a little bit too much and like so i’m i’m trying to take that into consideration when i when i drop my comments as far as like you know what i liked and didn’t like in the film what i thought worked and didn’t work and everything but um do you like did you guys like how they like cyber touching on what you just said how they explained how cassidy got the symbiote like cyber did that did you feel like that was like done well did you feel like that that made sense and like uh conveyed like what was going on you know what i mean in like an effective way and it also was like somewhat comic book accurate at least a little bit you know um it definitely wasn’t comic book accurate in the comics it’s completely different um but at the same time i thought their thought process of how they had it happen was very inventive i thought that it was a definitely an interesting take to make it you know where it was basically an offshoot of venom i definitely thought that was interesting that they decided to go that route instead of it just being an actual other symbiote that ends up coming across cletus um but at the same time i think that was another thing that they put into place to make it a little bit more shorter you know not so much story had to go into it you saw what happened cletus bites you know eddie brock he gets a piece of the you know of the symbiote from him because he bit him and venom is a part of him you know so it was kind of cut clean and it you know gave a really easy and you know not a very long story explanation of how you know cletus became carnage so i think that’s kind of the reason why they went that route um but i didn’t think it was a horrible way of doing it i thought it was inventive like i said i thought it was okay uh not you know i wish they had gone the actual comic book accurate way but i it didn’t it didn’t make the movie any less appealing to me i thought it was not too badly done okay save to you perry and and and i want to point out that cyber’s 100 accurate they did not even come close to touching the actual comic book version of like how uh cletus cassidy gets the symbiote and whatnot which i was a little bit surprised by that but what did you think perry yeah it didn’t it i don’t think it detracted anything for me i think a lot of uh a lot of my um my points with like how the movie went is more just based in like i wanted to spend more time with the characters and i think that’s that’s just where i was but i don’t think that like uh cyborg was saying it i don’t think it it doesn’t change for me either way and especially uh like now we’ll get into it where it doesn’t seem like like if if the future um venom is in like a different different place like it doesn’t it didn’t really matter either way so for me it just uh yeah it didn’t change anything for me um you know going the comic route is is sometimes a great idea and sometimes it’s not and sometimes it works with how what kind of story you’re trying to write and i think yeah i think it was effective in what they were trying to do with it and i think it was if they were trying to condense this and make it short and sweet and to the point then like that was probably the most effective way to do it than trying to explore like the whole symbiote like the whole race of symbiote so they can try and describe like that whole dynamic and how they work um so it that might have been to the point where they were like okay like even if we wanted to make this two hours can we effectively tell that story while mixing it with the story we’re trying to tell and uh i i’m guessing it just didn’t and they were like okay how do we simplify this and just make it like streamline simple to the point like this happens blah blah blah blah blah so it didn’t really like it didn’t really ruin anything for me it didn’t like make it any better or worse i think it was just their their way of trying to tell the story yeah yeah i think that they that it it was practical to me um it made sense it seemed it flowed with the movie you know like uh it didn’t it didn’t it didn’t come it didn’t stand out as like oh you know like geez like you know like seriously or anything like that to me um but really quick um and pats off to cyber for reminding me i’m gonna go ahead and just drop the venom uh two trailer really quick and give everybody a chance to take a breather and grab a drink or whatever they want to do so um here you go guys i ever wanted in this world is carnage lady here we should be out there snacking on bad guys i am a predator i need to be free you have got to get control of your aggression we will get hauled off into area 51. live in my body you live by my rules i’m sorry i don’t know what came over me please let me fix it again you are a loser eddie brock i want to give you my story people love serial killers jesus why me that’s mine it’s yours and what’s yours is mine i have tasted blood before and that is not it all i ever wanted in this world is carnage i’m not a crazy man real i will let you eat everybody i promise oh yeah eddie you’d feel like home to me like family oh wow you could just say i’m happy for you that was going to be us hey i’m happy for you no god i’m so sorry i’m sorry just doing some serious couples it’s a good trailer it really is a really good trailer i mean they did a really good job of like uh picking the best spots from like the film to really showcase them in the trailer you got to give them credit for that um but what did you guys think of the way that carnage looked um you know like um uh you know starting off with you cyber what did you think about the way that that uh that they pulled off carnage’s look you know you you’re so used to how they look in the comic books you know you’re thinking you know when they put them on screen they’re gonna look like the comic book you know that’s the first thing you’re thinking of when you imagine a certain marvel character or any character in a comic that’s what you’re thinking but the way they brought him out like i knew that they were gonna make him look a little different because you know they’re trying to stay to the aesthetic of what they did with the other you know symbiotes that they create in the first film along with how venom looks and so he was gonna be a lot more more graphic he was gonna be a lot different looking i mean and i think they did a pretty decent job i mean i thought that it was interesting that they gave him different abilities versus venom i think it’s interesting that they you know really you know encapsulated you know kind of like giving him a real like evil look you know to to kind of inspire you know what a serial killers you know symbiote would look like basically you know so i thought that you know they took you know a similarity to the comic books but gave it a completely different like graphic novel look and i thought they did a pretty decent job i mean it’s not exactly what i wanted to look like but at the same time i thought it wasn’t horrible looking and i thought it was very tasteful to what venom looks like what was what was the rating for the film pg-13 yes okay good to know good to know um because i was wondering about that myself but uh perry what’d you think of how they how they did carnage yeah i think for the aesthetic of uh what they had i think it it matched it like i think that’s uh like that’s what they got to do um they picked um a certain way that they wanted venom to look in the movies and they did a similar thing to carnage you know they made it their own a little bit you know they they changed it a little bit it all like it doesn’t look exactly like the comic books but like cyber was saying it doesn’t things don’t things can’t always correlate like things can’t always go like perfectly with like the designs and i think with what they wanted to do with that character um like cyber was saying i think that’s that’s what they did i think all of their choices with these two movies especially have been um like story-driven design rather than like trying to match it perfectly to the comic books um so i think with that keeping that in mind i think it worked for what they were doing um like you were just saying it it’s pg-13 like a carnage movie i think i think that was one of their their mistakes that they made was making a pg-13 rather than r um because then i think you get a little more of like the carnage like character in that r rating of like just wreaking havoc because i feel like there was a lot of shots where it felt like um carnage was gonna be like just tearing through people and it just felt like it was very nerfed in that sense so um i think that also went into the design a little bit where he has a lot of this like crazy like he has like the the like the tentacle like whipping around like stuff going on um but it doesn’t feel like they have too much like impact except like the body flying around and like hitting the wall and falling or something whereas like i feel like in a comic book he’s like tearing through them like just like cutting them in half or like doing something crazy like they’d like like a comic would you know um so i think the design was oriented to like the rating and how they wanted to tell the story through the character and i think that’s a good tie-in too with what are you guys thoughts on like the violence level because like resonating off of what perry just said you want i almost agree with perry 100 i think that they could have done a better job of giving us a more authentic um you know cletus cassidy if there would have been an r rating um and i feel like also woody harrelson is an actor that we know for a fact from like his his other performances can take it to that level you know what i mean like if you you know if you ask him to do that like he can take it to the r level and like really with the violence and like the you know the language and everything and whatnot um so i kind of felt like again you know they taking into consideration it was pg-13 i felt like just like perry said i was surprised that they that there wasn’t more violence more blood um in the comments there’s always a lot of blood with carnage like you know he’s poking holes through people and stuff like that and everything and so they bleed um you know like uh he’s tearing heads off people and stuff left and right and everything and like you know like you said perry cutting people in half and whatnot and we didn’t really get that it was more like fighting helicopters and stuff you know what i mean and whatnot and you know so what about the um the secondary characters guys um what about the secondary characters uh in the film how how they how did they work for you if they you know did they work for you did they did they did they fit the plot everything and um you know like you know did you like how they did shriek um you know um what do you think cyber like uh what were your thoughts on that uh just wanna before i go into that i just wanted to say something about the pg-13 rating thing as you guys were talking about um andy circus originally had set this movie to be r when he came on his director he actually told them that he will only do it if he can do it as an r rating so i believe that there’s a director’s cut of the film that is an r rated film where it actually shows carnage doing that type of stuff and actual like full action and that’s what i’m thinking is why it was so short in that editing process because he had to edit out everything that would have made it r because sony wanted them to make a pg-13 to coincide you know to keep with their deal with marvel so i think that’s the reason why it was so short but i just wanted to elaborate on that but there is a director’s cut that is r originally that was slated for that film uh he even mentioned it in one of his interviews so just throwing that out there but to go on with your question jeff uh i mean i thought all the characters played their parts fine in the film uh shriek when it came to shriek i’m not very familiar with the character so i don’t know much about her for what the actress brought to the character i thought she did an okay job uh i thought that it was interesting her and woody harrelson’s character cletus have like this relationship i think that was absolutely hilarious uh that they have them the love interest in this film and i thought it was interesting that they decided to have them like you know even go through with having a wedding and everything i thought that was kind of interesting uh but everyone else i thought in the film you know played their place i like that you know michelle williams came back and uh the gentleman that plays her now boyfriend or fiance i think that was great that they brought them back i thought you know that they made a good like comedic element to the film and uh they’re enjoyable i love that you know she ended up getting venom in her one more time again i thought that was hilarious and kind of like she’s like oh never that again never that again and uh i just thought there was a lot of great camaraderie between everyone that was involved and i thought they did a really good job okay perry um i i i agree um i agree with what cyber was saying except for shriek i think shriek i i don’t know it just kind of felt like the character was only there to like like if just felt like an easy way to like um like it just felt like easy motivation for uh woody harrelson’s character like it just felt like that was like the like easiest route to go was that he had a love interest when he was like a kid or like a teenager and that carried like through 20 years and that they’re still searching for each other and all this stuff and i’m like it that was i think that was the biggest relationship point in the movie where i just felt like i didn’t really give a [ __ ] in to be like in like in a blunt way um it just felt like it was like it felt like there could have been more to that relationship that could have been explored um but we only got like five minutes like less than five minutes of it in the like first couple scenes in the movie and then we’re supposed to just like kind of like follow that through for the rest of the film and that like like i said it it didn’t really like it didn’t do anything for me in terms of like making the movie worse it just didn’t make it better for me um and i thought that shriek kind of like they kind of just brought her in to like serve that one purpose and then like throw her away a little bit you know what it it just that’s just kind of what it felt like which i like it’s fine i’m not like the i don’t like just like cyber i don’t know much about the character i don’t have much attachment to the chara i don’t have any attachment to the character so it doesn’t matter to me whether or not she’s ever seen again in the movies um but like it just it was one of those things where i was just kind of like she’s there like she’s there in there yeah well like yeah but like like i said it i mean like if you’re trying to tell a story you need certain characters to play their roles and like to further the plot and but it just felt like it wasn’t uh like that plot point like their relationship had like good points where like you’re watching and you’re like cool cool cool i like that like that’s fun like they have a fun relationship back and forth um but it just didn’t feel like something i was that invested in um in terms of like like feeling anything for them you know like it because i feel like if you’re if you’re bringing in like so you have like two like a serial killer and his love interest who’s also like a violent offender in that sense and has superpowers in some way shape or form you want the audience to like connect with them on some level and that is usually done through a relationship where you like understand why they do the things that they do but for me we just didn’t get enough of that like pre-lock-up for them to like really make me want to invest any like care into like their relationship where it just felt like it was just two villains like getting together again but like it it just it was fine like you know what i mean like it just was fine for me um but i think it just it just acted as like an easy explanation for cletus cassidy’s motivation which is that’s fine like movies do that all the time so i think that’s a good point though perry because i think that like um you know the whole premise is is made very clear right off the bat that like you know cletus is the bad guy he’s in jail you know he’s in prison you know like they’re bad people but it wouldn’t have been so bad for me if like maybe you know and maybe we’ll get this with the rated r cut or whatever it wouldn’t have been so bad for me if they would have like done more flashbacks maybe um and like actually shown some like you know heinous violence you know what i mean from like them like woody harrelson like you know just like him killing his mother or something you know what i mean like to explain to like the audience like why this guy’s nuts like the kind of like debauchery and everything that this guy is capable of but um what about the uh what about the relationship between eddie and venom um and i guess this ties into venom one as well but i mean what about that relationship guys stuck out for you in the film did it work for you um the strife between them like when they separated and everything in the story and um do you feel like at all like maybe it was too farcical um you know what i’m saying if that makes sense because i kind of feel like it was for me but like what do you think cyber i absolutely love it i think it’s fantastic i think it’s perfect i think it’s exactly what they could have done dramatically or theatrically for the movies versus the comic books i mean of course in the comic books there’s a little humor but not as much as they put into the films but i like that they put that much humor into this i am a comedy guy i absolutely love comedy and i think it works perfectly in these mcu films i think without comedy in the mcu films they would be lackluster and the humor helps provide some elevation from say the stresses in the film because there’s plenty of people i know that watch these films and they’re like angry at certain points at the movie i’m sure you know with certain things happening and so forth and stuff like that so the humor helps to alleviate that and that’s what makes it great but at the same time the relationship between tom hardy and venom is so on point so funny and so fun and i just think that he did you know tom hardy does such a great job because like i i said this when i saw the first film i wasn’t sure how i felt about him playing eddie brock until i saw the first film and that really blew my mind because he did the voice over so well as venom and then interacting with himself as eddie brock it just it seems such a like a very symbiotic relationship it seemed real and that’s what they brought to even in the second one they brought even more of that with even more humor which made it so sick of funny especially that whole scene when they’re in the apartment and venom is making the breakfast and then they have they’re having the big fight before he ends up you know leaving him for a few days or whatever how many days he’s gone for and like he’s like oh i’m so sorry that i broke your nose let me let me fix it and he fixed it and then he hits him again and he says yeah let me break it some more you know it just it was that type of dynamic seemed so real and it just was so well played so i think that just makes it even funner and i don’t find it farsika at all because this is fantasy this isn’t real life this is fantasy so if you think farcical is farcical i mean you got to remember these movies are fantasy they’re not supposed to be realistic so i you know i don’t see any farcicalness to this at all because that’s what it is it’s supposed to be fantasy oh cyber really it’s not supposed to be real life man you’re you’re bursting my bubble over here but um oh scary what do you think perry do you get where i’m coming from with the farcical aspect like um yeah like i get i get where you’re coming from too there was like for me i enjoyed the relationship i think uh i think there are points where i wish they would like where i wish it would have been a little more like it’s serious is like a weird word to use too because like cyber’s saying like this is like it i don’t know it’s not supposed to be like the tone of the movie is not like that um which is like another a whole other conversation with like uh i think the two movies is like tonality and and depending on what you like and what you dislike um about like different tones and movies um but like for this one i enjoyed the relationship i think the the only part that i was just kind of like what’s going on here is where he’s doing his whole monologue and like the edm club and i was like like i like this is funny but i’m also like i was like we’re spending 10 minutes on this instead of like more character development uh with like the other characters that aren’t getting any attention and i wish like that time was traded a little bit or like it was just done a different way but like i get that seemed a little more like what what you’re saying jeff where it seems a little more silly rather than like uh like it seems like it’s just the relationship is played for laughs which is like fine like movies do that too you know like that’s another like that’s a tone out that’s a tonal thing like that’s a tone thing so um for me it that relationship worked like that i liked that i enjoyed that i think that’s one of the better parts of the movie um and so i i don’t have much negative to say about that but yeah that just that one scene where he’s in the edm club like doing his monologue and stuff it just that seemed like goofy i guess is the best word for like how i felt about it i was like this is kind of goofy but it didn’t really like destroy the movie for me it just i was just like i wish we spent that time like looking at cletus cassidy more or like or like the relationship between cletus cassidy and shriek a little bit more like you know like traded that time with something else but um that’s that’s neither here nor there i guess well of course they have to have that balance too with the violence and the little bit of gore like to try to like keep it pg-13 and everything you want to at that point you’re going to want to keep the comedy theme going and have that balance which i totally understand that and i appreciate that and hey you know like i can be kind of serious you know when it comes to these films so you know there’s nothing absolutely nothing wrong with the fact that cyber enjoys the humor aspects of like these movies and whatnot you know i get where you’re coming from cyber and i feel like um do you guys feel like um you guys feel like this is going to set some kind of precedent for what we should expect for morbius or do you think that morbius is going to take it to a different level maybe like you know as far as you think it’ll be rated r like what do you think cyber no i think it’ll be pg-13 i think morbius is going to be more on the more uh sophisticated side of this universe i think it’s going to be darker especially with him being a vampire and everything um which is a little different than venom you know he’s just an alien you know symbiote whereas morbius is this human that basically becomes a vampire so i feel that from the tone that the trailer gave it looks very dark i don’t think there’s gonna be as much humor in it i don’t think there’s gonna be as much um you know lack of story which a lot of people find you know usually are running in these these last two films unfortunately you know that there’s not a lot of character development i think there will be a lot of character development in this film especially because morbius seems like a character that they’re going to want to keep around for a long time and especially with craving the hunter film coming i’m sure more visas can be a part of that too so i think we’re gonna see a very dark side with morbius uh is what we’re gonna get but they’re gonna keep it toned to a pg-13 because morbius is technically a part of marvel’s property still like sony actually uh even though they owned it they actually just recently uh lost the rights to him uh within the last couple years back to marvel so i think that we’re gonna see a very disney vibe but darkish to it like what they’re going to be doing with dr strange too uh where they’re trying to make it more dark and more gritty horror more of a horror angle yeah what do you think perry yeah i think what cyber says that’s what’s gonna happen like it’s it’s jared leto too and he’s a like he’s the yeah while you drink kind of actor um and he is like he was outwardly a very angry with what they did with his joker and cutting scene after scene and he’s like it’s a totally different character than what i filmed and all that stuff so i think uh he’s out to like show show everybody’s what show everybody what he’s got like in terms of like being a comic book character and i think he wants to do it um so this is kind of his like second chance at that so i think it is gonna be a little more uh like serious tone like cyber is saying it’s not gonna have the same humor and like all this stuff and i think morbius is like more of like a dark character in terms of like his story and especially what they’ve shown in the trailers and what the story seems to be centered around with him um like his body deteriorating and he’s trying to become like he’s trying to cure that and like that’s a pretty heavy topic to be like bringing in so like i think that part of it is going to keep keep it uh very like dramatically oriented rather than humor oriented like it is in venom do you think it’s possible that um sony could potentially do rated r films at some point like you know in their universe if they wanted to like they’re that they that maybe they’re more maybe it’d be easier for them to pull that off than like marvel with disney and everything what do you think perry yeah for sure like they don’t have the same they don’t have the same restrictions as um like marvel does because they’re not owned by disney um so if they want to make a super violent movie they can you know like it’s just whatever gets approved um or greenlit so it i don’t i think if they want to maintain the relationship with disney and keep making billions and billions of dollars off of disney’s help like they won’t but um i don’t think it’ll be too far-fetched to think at some point they uh like if they pick a character that kevin feige’s like yeah we don’t really want to do anything with him or we’re not thinking about like making him a mainstream part of the mcu that they can they can definitely take a character and make it like more violent um and i think disney even like disney kevin feige has like said that they want to make they want to make sure that deadpool’s rated r and all that stuff and keeps that like uh the success of that going and all that stuff so i don’t know i don’t think i don’t think it’s i don’t think it’s an issue of like whether or not they they’re willing to do it or whether they want to do it i think they want to and they’re willing to do it i think it just is more on like trying to maintain the relationship with disney in a way that they can combine these characters together and make sure that uh like the two universes can feel like they’re in the same world without like compromising disney’s like uh polished uh world you know where people don’t get cut in half and bleed to death you know well and of course there’s also the continue annuity you know if we’re going to get more bs in the mcu like you said before earlier perry if tonally they’re going to want to like give us a certain version of morbius and show us a certain level of violence and whatnot and what you know what to expect if he’s going to then shift over into like the mcu and and be making films under disney um you know so what do you think cyber do you have any anything to add to that as far as you think it’s a possibility they could do rated r down the road i i mean if they ever dissolve their relationship marbled and they get full rights back to these certain characters i can see them doing r-rated versions because that’s what the fans want um but at this point like peter was saying i don’t foresee them you know not wanting billions of dollars so i feel that they’re going to continue as long as they can their relationship with marvel and keep putting out pg-13 content uh just so that they can make a lot of money and you know so i mean it’s it’s one of those things that you hope that they do eventually but we just don’t know um i mean there’s always possibilities to do it i’m sure there is i’m sure you know maybe you know with marvel doing so well with you know deadpool being r they might eventually you know go further and do something else that they know of a character that’s in the complex that’s very r-rated and they do the same thing uh i think a lot of people are hoping that’s what they do with blade you know because blade is a very good character that is an r-rated character just like ghost writer and just like you know morbius i’ve seen in the comic books and he’s can be graphic at times too so i mean it’s one of those things you know it’s where the money comes from it comes down to and they’ll do what they need to do to keep the money rolling in well um and of course um the punisher too cyber and we just talked about that the other night i’ll be releasing um the video from cyber and eyes little special that we did the other night where we covered some recent mcu news and events and whatnot and everything that’s going to be coming out probably tomorrow so it’ll come out around the same time that this video comes out and um this is the kind of a different angle that like we’re going to try to like be incorporating into the show for the future is that we’re going to try to look into doing some news and like some you know some um you know some actual uh current events and stuff like that in terms of what’s going on in the on the day-to-day basis with the mcu but um you know uh basically to you know to um kind of rehash something in a way but kind of get a little bit deeper into it what about the action scenes and the special effects guys like do you have anything on that well you know where you think that there was anything where you know were you happy with what we got from like the cgi and everything and whatnot um you know um and perry um you know what about the action scenes like i know we talked about the violence and everything and whatnot but like how did the action scenes were they good yeah yeah i thought they were i thought they looked pretty good i mean the cgi looked pretty good you know like everything everything was up to par you know i don’t i don’t think anything was like too bizarre um like didn’t like cyber was saying earlier like these are fantasy things these are living in a fantasy world um like they’re gonna look they’re gonna be fake you know so um but i think everything looked pretty good um and yeah i was pretty i was pretty satisfied with things i think um i i can’t remember exactly like uh scene by scene what the fight was like with venom and carnage it’s it’s sitting in the back of my brain um but from what i remember it was uh it was fun it was cool it was action-packed you know like they do the whole thing and uh so yeah i’m i’m pretty uh i was pretty content with that cyber the action and the cgi what did you think about that and then also the final battle between carnage and venom did that really satisfy you i i was i was impressed with the cgi in this film i thought they did a really good job i thought the symbiotes looked really real uh i thought that they did a good job of you know incorporating it into the film i hadn’t really no issues with it i thought it looked superb and supreme and uh i i enjoyed the look of it uh for the action the action i thought was really well done it i mean there was quite a few great scenes where good action went on i mean from that the brawl when carnage breaks out to the final battle sequence i think that those are all really good action sequences uh there i mean there’s the one where you know venom or carnage is trying to get away inside the car uh along with shriek and you know lucius and everything like that i thought that was a really good actress it goes between the cops in them and uh it was just a lot of great i thought just a lot of fun action in that film i thought the the stunts were done really well and i just i just enjoyed it i thought it was really well done and then you also have that final battle sequence i thought it was very satisfying uh i mean it definitely was too short it could have been longer i feel just like any of the sequences in this film uh we’ve already mentioned that before that this movie is really short it’s only an hour and a half so i mean a lot of those edited scenes as we’ve been talking about the past probably has to do with that there’s probably extended scenes of certain you know things going on in those fight sequences so i think overall for what we got i thought it was very satisfying in that final battle sequence i mean some of those some of the things that you know venom and cartage were doing to each other was just really out there awesome i mean especially when you know carnage would pin venom to that giant pillar and you’re just like come on venom you can do it you can do it you can you can break out of it you know and you’re just rooting for him you know and and i thought they did a really good job with that so i thought all all in all i thought all those things were really well done okay excellent um so just to kind of like you know just the same way what we did with what if as far as closing remarks from you guys um you know so we can uh do a good job here with our uh our uh again keeping things like real streamlined and everything and whatnot and plus uh you know uh if the uh if the recording gets over two hours long it’s uh it’s it’s it’s harder to be able for me to be able to use headliner app and whatnot for me to be able to chop clips out of it and stuff so um anyways uh to just to close things out as far as your closing remarks guys um starting with you perry for venom too is there anything that we didn’t touch on that you felt like was something that maybe was important for you yeah i think just uh like um i think just with the the end credits scene i i don’t think we need to touch on it too deeply just because it’s it’s pretty self-explanatory that like no i’m glad you brought it up yeah yeah i think it’s i think it’s pretty self-explanatory that they’re they’re teasing that venom’s going to be now in the mcu with um with what happens and far from home and stuff so which i think at any po like if you’re watching anything and you’re keeping track of anything you understand what’s going on with that like that was that that tease was uh pretty pretty self-explanatory um and i think uh me and jeff both said it like a little while ago um when we were talking on the phone we were saying that that was our favorite part of the movie um just because it had a lot of implication in what was going on and what’s going to go on and the the next spider-man and stuff and i’m sure when uh spider-man gets closer and we do like a spider-man preview or something or like we discuss it a little bit more we’ll break that down a little bit more and what’s going on in that movie as we get closer to it because there’s probably gonna be a few more trailers before we get there so um yeah but that’s my only other thought is just that and credit scene was it was really cool and it it’s been something that’s been kind of rumored and uh like teased and stuff that has come out so it’s good to kind of get some clarity and some like finality to that that it’s happening and uh yeah yeah the cat’s out of the bag we finally have some some real we just talked about this the other night me and cyber um about having some finality as far as like what is gonna happen here with the sony verse like where is it going so cyber what do you think you know what do you think about the end credits scene and then you know on top of that like if you have anything any closing remarks or anything on the on the film well i was blown away by this post-credit scene and i was really shocked that you know they finally showed that marvel and sony have come to a deal again uh this really was concrete proof finally shown that they had done that because i heard months ago that they had already broken the deal uh because you know marvel didn’t want to lose spider-man they wanted spider-man to keep and so they made sure you know i think this was finally that that block that they put in to be able to prove that but i mean i was just blown away because like ben was about to explain something to him or show him something and i’m suddenly that this color distortion happens and i’m like holy crap what’s going on here and then all of a sudden he’s in a completely different looking room jay jonah jameson pops up the tv and shows a picture of spider-man and you’re just like you’re like no way oh you know you’re screaming in your seat like oh my god oh my god and you’re like wow they finally finally have decided to actually show that this is what they’re doing and i i just was blown away by i thought it was really well done i love how the guy comes out of the bathroom is like dude what are you doing in my room and eddie’s just like i don’t know and you just kind of like crack it up a little bit because like you can tell eddie’s like like what’s going on and even venom he comes out and he looks at the picture of peter and he licks the tv and you’re just like hmm is there a relationship or brewing there huh and so it just it was a really fun post-credit scene probably my favorite out of all the post credit scenes that i’ve seen in the last 10 years so i i thought it was really well done i really enjoyed it and i thought it was you know a great new reveal to see where the mcu is going but at the same time last remarks i would just say i thought it was a fantastic film definitely go see it in theaters i mean it was a hit you know in theaters it made 90 million over the weekend uh last weekend it was the biggest hit of the post pandemic going on now uh you know it did better than black widow did on its opening uh it did the same as shang chi um so who knows turtles might outbeat it i have no idea yet but venom is on good course to be another 200 million you know dollar film which is showing that the movie industry is coming back so i think that’s a really good effort and i think even though it was short you know shorter than what we wanted and that you know it had some things that were like okay they could have done this better it still was a very solid film and enjoyable if you haven’t seen it i would definitely go check it out yeah sony is definitely going to profit from this without question they’re not going to lose money um i don’t think like i wouldn’t be surprised if next weekend um they end up it ends up doing really well too like maybe 60 million or you know 55 million or 50 million or something like that um what do you guys think about like uh a rating for this basically just to kind of like tie the bow on this thing like uh what do you think perry what’s your what’s your rating for for venom 2 um i’ll probably give it like a 71. i think it was good i like i said there i had my critiques about it and i think it more um like kind of what cyber was saying that it seems like it was a lot of like studio saying one thing and andy certainly them just having to like like cut it down to something that they’re both like okay this works for what we were trying to do on either end of the the scale you know so um i try not to be too harsh because i know especially with comic book movies it it can be a nightmare with these studios like wanting to control it so much i mean that was the problem with a lot like ninety percent of the dc movies that have come out the last 10 years so try not to be too hyper critical of that but i think like the 71 is a fair um for me of like enjoying it and having a fun time with it while also being like it wasn’t the greatest thing i’ve ever seen in my life okay cyber i give it a solid i only give it a 95 i don’t give it a 100 because of the run time if the runtime was longer if it had been the director’s cut it would have been 100 but i’m giving it a 95. i’d give it a 75 i’ll go i’m going to go with a 75 and it would be an 85 if like again if it would have been rated r um and they’d done more more you know violence and gore and stuff like that and everything and whatnot i i would have liked that you know um i think i would have liked it a little bit better but it was a good movie and um you know it makes you wonder a little bit you know how are they going to like i mean based off of the venom they’ve that they’ve given us in these two venom films how’s it going to make sense that venom’s is going to hate spider-man and like want to eat peter parker’s brains and everything and whatnot like i’m trying to figure that out in my head like how that’s going to work how they’re going to make that work unless they’re going to be allies you and i mean like you know like you know that’s going to be the deal i guess you will have to speak um but all right guys you know everybody um thank you everybody who ends up again uh catching this tomorrow or on thursday or this weekend or whatever um you know we really appreciate all of you please subscribe to our youtube channel the mcu’s bleeding edge um you know and um i will of course um try to make an effort to in the description um mention uh where perry’s from you know what he does you know with this podcast off topic i’ll do the same thing with the veteran youtuber cybergenetic 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The Infinity Saga Review Of Thor

welcome one and all to the mcu’s bleeding edge out there in streaming land want to thank you all if you’re joining in and watching i want to thank you all thank you very much but anyways let’s get right into this beautiful wonderful night of awesomeness tonight guys so anyway so we are back the mcu billionaires of course me cybernetic shark and of course mr jeff salvolda aka true knowledge out there for you looking for anything else to uh research or listen to and we are joined by a returning uh person on the panel mr vincent d uh vincent von spock up right up above me here who you can find on several platforms under vincent von spock thank you very much and i want to re thank you for coming back on and joining us tonight how are you doing tonight sir i’m doing pretty good guys good to see you all thanks for having me back awesome thank you thank you and then we have two new mcu fans joining us tonight uh we got mr token here and mr j who you can find on the amazing stereo app uh where they go off and talk about awesome greatness mcu content all kinds of different things uh how you guys doing doing good doing good what’s up panel awesome thank you for coming on by guys great to have you on the panel and uh we’re just going to get right rock into this so as you know if you looked at our description tonight we’re going to be doing another infinity saga uh review for you guys coming to the 2011 picture of course of the film four uh we’ll be talking about tonight which is of course you know stars the amazing chris hemsworth uh directed by kenneth braun uh sorry natalie portman you got the amazing uh you know just this awesome panel of awesome actors that just really bring a really fun and inspiring film to us to bring us our first feature really our first feature-length film of four i mean there have been in previous past like little like made for tv type of movies that thor was introduced into but this is like his first really big outing uh so you know of course we have tom edison stella and skasgard we got confiori in this we got ray stevenson idris elba kat dennings renee russo anthony hopkins all this great cast like i was saying before and this is just a really run fun of the mill type of film so of course this movie starts off we all of a sudden see jane and uh you know dory dory uh doris uh whatever why am i uh darcy i don’t know why i was having a hard time with that name but uh they are basically in a van all of a sudden they’re you know talking and you know doing some geographical thing or whatever like that and that’s when all of a sudden they bump into thor for the first time and we kind of go into a backstory uh from there to seeing thor up in you know up in the olden hein so what we’re gonna do for you guys is we’re gonna show you the trailer first and then really get really into the material so jeff if you have that trailer for us why don’t you uh show that for us folks it’s not easy to do what you did you made my man look like a bunch of minimum wage mall cops that’s hurtful would you like to tell me where you received your training afghanistan who are you i have sacrificed much to achieve peace for through your arrogance and stupidity you have opened these peaceful realms and innocent lives to the horror and devastation of war you are a vain greedy cruel boy and you are an old man and a fool you’re unworthy father i now take from you your power i cast you out please open your eyes oh no this is uh physical where’d he come from your ancestors called it magic and you call it science i come from a place where they’re one in the same his fate is in his own hands now i will end this sir we found it government agencies have now you all right you death threatened me thor was so punier what he was freaking me out where did he come from name he said it was thor you know for a crazy homeless person he’s pretty cut how’d you get inside that cloud also how could you eat an entire box of pop-tarts and still be this hungry just drink i like it another this is going on facebook smile your ancestors called it magic and you call it science well i come from a place where they’re one in the same thing but who are you really you’ll see soon enough god i hope you’re not crazy do you swear to guard the lives of the innocent and preserve the peace i swear i will destroy their kind you can’t kill an entire race and die with them these people are innocent i have no plans to die today i will return you don’t know what your actions would unleash all right all right so thank you for sharing those mr jeff so first question off the bat guys and i’ll go around to each of you what was your guys’s thoughts on the blonde colored beard on chris hemsworth i gotta hear what everyone’s thoughts were because this is one thing that has really stuck out to me after watching this movie uh a couple times the last uh you know several weeks or so because i’ve actually watched this like i don’t know four or five times now within the last month because i just love this movie but anyways what are you guys thoughts on the blonde colored beard on chris hemsworth’s spell compared to what it looks like in the other films let’s start with you vincent i think that marvel has learned their lesson with this one don’t ever dye somebody’s beard again especially blonde or eyebrows for that matter i don’t know if you noticed but they also did his eyebrows later incarnations of thor they don’t dye the beard they don’t dye the eyebrows and he’s barely blonde if at all so yeah i think marvel has since gone you know maybe we shouldn’t have done that i would agree there how about you uh token what did you think about chris hemsworth blonde colored hair in this first film can you hear us hello token rock’s good there we go guys guys you would you want me to jump in quick cyber and i’ll give you my take and these guys yes please yes please yes jeff give us your take on that well i mean in the spirit of thor being this being the thor of you tonight i decided that i’m gonna go ahead and die my beard uh blonde when we get done with the show um you send me pictures of that i want to see that yes most definitely um i think i think i think token and j actually froze up on us completely now like oh yeah they’re not moving at all yeah they’re not moving at all now hey you know what we’ll just leave them hanging like that for the whole show like straight up frozen like what’s up yo what i mean it’ll be awesome you know but uh anyways so i mean look i don’t really i don’t pay attention to that stuff very much it didn’t really do it did i didn’t think that much of it really uh honestly as far as um how he looks uh you know initially in the film and during the film how he looks he i mean to me it like it it works like i mean i don’t i don’t look at it and and it looks terrible to me or anything like that um i mean is the whole premise basically that like uh it just wasn’t fitting because his hair is brown well yeah i mean you can tell that they try to make him look more like thor by dying his beard and his eyebrows you know blonde putting on a blonde wig on him you know to you know change to make him look like thor and then i you know just like vincent was saying he most definitely they realized okay we’ll just keep it brown and keep him brunette you know give him like some blonde highlights instead kind of and go with his natural hair color for the character but you could just tell it was a dye job that’s how like unnatural all looked and that just like i feel that was off-putting and i’ve had several people that have seen the film have mentioned that same exact thing and i just think that’s a funny thing to start off the right off the bat talking about that and uh i just think it’s it’s funny i agree 100 this is completely hilarious because like you got to see like i think they’re trying to go for comic accuracy and everything which you know that’s great and everything but you’re not gonna get it you’re not gonna get that comic accuracy just by dying somebody’s beard because the thing is like hair on the beard grows so fast that by the time you’ve got it dyed it’s already sticking out the roots and then you’re gonna be filming like you know the next day or two days later and the roots are already going to be brown and so it just looks like an awful dye job and it’s always going to look that way because you can’t just dye it and then immediately film yeah exactly yeah 100 degree there uh so that kind of leads me into you know next what’s up so as i was saying before so we have that kind of intro you know you know uh darcy and jane bumping into thor out in the middle of the desert uh and while they’re doing their geological thing and uh then it kind of bumps back and kind of gives you a little bit of a premise of like the giant war that started uh you know kind of between the ice giants and you know the odenheim and kind of what inspired there and we get this giant battle scene which was really amazing and so my thoughts was like how do you feel about like your first introduction to the ice giants i mean did the ice giants were they cool to you did you think that they looked cool or did you think that these are just evil you know creatures from the you know comic books what were your thoughts on your first encounters with the frost giants let’s start with you jeff well yeah i mean i definitely felt like i i definitely liked visually how they looked i mean i thought they looked cool um i thought that essentially um it was neat that uh well it was kind of interesting that they all spoke english you know what i mean like you know they’re rock giants like i mean you think that they would speak a different language or something but they all speak english which is just like you know perfect i guess for the film but um you know uh i basically the the gist i got from them basically was that um like they’re no like no joke like you really don’t want to you don’t want to like you know freak with the frost giants in real life like you don’t want to step to them unless you’re like planning on getting into something pretty heavy you know what i mean like um and um clearly in that battle in that fight you see that they’ve got like all kinds of different creatures and everything going on like that are a part of the frost giants so um it’s cool that they’re frost giants and that like their swords are like made out of like ice or whatever you know what i mean kind of like game of thrones um the white with the white walkers right vincent yeah yeah absolutely isn’t that almost exactly the same like uh as game of thrones pretty much uh in fact uh to j.r.r martin i think those game of thrones he might have come up with the white walkers because of the frost giants because they’ve been around for quite a while well we’ll we definitely need to talk some game of thrones one day on the mcu’s bleeding edge but it won’t be today um but yeah i mean basically cyber that was it for me i mean the the whole the whole fight scene is visually interesting um i think the frost giants are cool i think that uh lofty is cool um i believe that that is um uh the what’s what’s the name that actor um yeah i loved him in um uh oh [ __ ] what was the name of the movie with um uh oh man with vin diesel um what is that character he plays um you know pitch black not pitch black the one after pitch black chronicles a riddick chronicles he was that guy colin colin friorie was badass in that movie yeah he was he was very much so very much so so to kind of catch jay and token up here so the last question before you guys unfortunately had some technical difficulties uh we were talking about chris hemsworth uh basically uh beard and his eyebrows having been like almost bleached or colored for the film to play thor and so to just uh before we go any further we want to get your take on that what did you guys think about that look of chris hemworth being you know that colorized of you know trying to make him look more like floor you know versus his actual natural brunette hair color so starting with you token well in all honesty because uh like when it comes to thor like i think he molded the whole entire look like uh from like the hair which a lot of times i mean when i first saw it i thought that was just rare not even knowing that it was you know something that they put or they added to it so i mean i thought they pulled it off what did you think you guys are in and out we couldn’t really yeah yeah we didn’t really hear what he said the look is really cool like they put it together to be honest i thought that was his repair yeah i think a lot of people actually thought that that was his real hair um but i remember uh so there was a couple making ups right after it was going to be coming out into theaters and chris hemsworth himself was saying yeah i had to wear this wig and all this stuff and and i i just remember thinking oh yeah because i at first thought that was his real hair too but it actually was a wig so i you know as we were saying before we were like me and vincent kind of agreed it was kind of funny looking how it looked and everything so we wanted to get you guys to take so now moving back on to the frost giants vincent what did you think about the frost giants and kind of their introduction so i rewatched this movie today and looking at the frost giants i have yet to really feel the scale of them they’re supposed to be big hulking type of beings excuse me um and they really don’t show you how big they are they don’t give you that establishing shot to see just how tall they are compared to thor or um lady siff and the warriors three and so i don’t really feel the menace behind them fighting and everything um later on in thor the dark world they have this rock monster that’s the same as korg and uh he’s he looks quite significantly larger than thor and you actually get to see that and i don’t really feel i ever got to see that when it came to the frost giants i would agree there because definitely in in this thor film you kind of always saw them off in the distance they were never close enough to really show their size the only thing the only i feel like the frost like type creature the one that breaks through the ice and they have to battle is the only one that really kind of got in size shape with the characters and giving them more of a you know kind of a comparison of how big that creature was so i definitely agree with you there so going to token and jay starting with you token what did you think about the introduction to the uh frost giants in the beginning of thor now you’re gonna laugh when i say this whenever i saw the frost giants uh like how they said i would like i wanted to see actually more uh i wanted to see like what type of abilities that they had you know versus the fighting to me reminded me of uh you know the buddies from uh mighty morphin powder yep it’s kind of what it reminded me of and so uh i mean it didn’t really give too much they seemed pretty weak whenever you know thor went up against them but then again it’s stored so i mean yeah yeah okay how about you jay okay that’s fine that’s fine awesome okay yeah i mean yeah like just kind of reiterating the frost giants you know like vince was saying you really don’t get to see their you know how big they are how um you know crazy you know what they can do and stuff like that we get very brief what they can do because they really kind of i feel they kind of rushed that scene giving you that brief history of their battle with the frost giants you don’t get much action of them and even in that battle when they’re fighting the other you know gods and so forth like that from the odenheim even then they really don’t give really show the different size and then they kind of seemed almost equal when they were fighting so i feel like you know the the frost giants didn’t get what they deserved like really to show them who they are uh and uh you know hopefully i’m hoping maybe down the road in another thor film maybe you know the word love and thunder or even another marvel film maybe we’ll get to see the frost giants again and maybe get a better view of them uh but yeah i definitely i definitely agree you know with that because i thought they were i thought they were really cool too as well yes the party thor episode of what if you really get to see the scale of them next to thor and that it would have been nice to have seen it in uh live action but at least we did get to see it somewhat later on in a different series yeah yes most definitely yes that that is very true especially when loki is his true self uh of what he’s supposed to be and it shows that very much so i that was a really good point thank you for pointing that out vincent so moving on with the so we have that kind of that back scene showing us what happened in like 985 a.d and then it kind of shoots off and shows thor and loki when they’re younger and kind of you know what you know how loki was brought to the openheim and we see them kind of grow up and then all of a sudden you know thor’s supposed to be an adult so it’s loki and everything and he thinks he’s gonna be crowned the next king uh you know by his father and so forth and you know they kind of you know they kind of have like a ceremony that he’s going to become you know king and everything and then we have kind of like loki start starting to stir things up uh to kind of you know mess with the pot because he’s you know he really wants to be the ruler because he feels he he deserves it because he’s the older of the two and so forth and so we kind of get that going we kind of get a little introduction to you know lady sip and the other characters a little bit there in that scene we get some great hall images and stuff that on you know the old heim and stuff like that and uh then all of a sudden we have you know that it kind of moves on we have certain incidences happen throughout the scene we have frost giants that that come in and try to steal the tesseract and uh of course then we get to see the giant uh basically guardian uh i would say of the area i forget what the name of the of that robot is the destroyer thank you we get to see the destroyer for the first time now for me when i first saw the story i was literally sitting in my seat going oh that’s awesome you know like like totally like that like i was like just blown away by it so my question for you guys is what did you think about the first introduction to the destroyer uh starting uh with you uh jeff please well i think the destroyer is really cool i mean um you know as far as i don’t want to say a bad guy or whatever but as far as like you know a concept itself the destroyer is pretty badass um he’s you know it’s it’s obviously extremely powerful um and i would love i’ll be honest with you um what i really enjoyed is when they made the um the uh the the sister comic books or whatever to go along with these mcu films and when marvel made them um that limited series whatever that they made of the comic books that are basically like a more detailed version of of the of the films from the infinity saga um they actually in one of them that i have it it shows uh shield with the destroyer trying to like take it apart trying to test it trying to figure out how it works and like what’s going on with it and everything and whatnot and they’re like clueless you know what i mean like they can’t figure out what’s going on with it how to do anything with it what its power source is um you know they can’t dissect it uh like uh you know um and uh that’s how they eventually end up figuring out how to create the uh the weapon you see coulson use on loki when colston gets killed any you know and loki stabs him and then he shoots him with that with that weapon and he’s like i don’t even know what this does or whatever that was off of the destroyer that was not okay they made that weapon off the destroyer tech that’s why it shot the same type of projectile or like the same like uh energy looking energy as like the destroyers you know um but yeah i mean um it’s kind of at first it’s kind of hard to tell the scale of the size of the destroyer but he’s pretty big um i mean he’s got to be at least like i don’t 10 12. maybe like yeah like 40 feet yeah high if not higher um you know it i mean it’s interesting it’s an interesting character or concept i would love to actually be able to have a better idea of like what its power levels are you know what i mean like you know what is really capable of 9000 yeah you know what i mean like one of those youtube videos you know like what’s this power level like let’s stack them up against uh you know like anime characters and dragon ball z and stuff like that but uh yeah yep awesome awesome thank you so going down to token and jay let’s start with jay this time what did you think about the introduction to destroyer sir oh oh we lost them we lost them again so if they come back let’s go to you vincent what did you think about the introduction to the destroyer sir uh he’s pretty cool looking kind of menacing got the the spikes he’s made out of metal kind of looks a little bit like colossus if colossus was empty on the inside which you never know he might be anyway but anyway i mean yeah he’s kind of interesting um what’s what i think is cool about him is he’s more memorable than i think most of the battle between thor and loki that takes place inside the bifrost um or at least like the station for it i don’t even know what you would call that where heimdall stands but um yeah so yeah yeah most definitely i i would agree uh because that that final sequence uh which we’ll get to a little bit later i can tell i can see where you’re coming from on that aspect and you know why that would be you know you you it would be a more memorable scene the destroyer fight sequence and so forth and uh and stuff like that so yeah most definitely so so basically we have kind of like that conversation with the frost giants with the destroyer and the destroyer destroys them and that kind of uh you know basically starts you know makes thor go i want to get revenge on them for this happening and in the background you know kind of loki you can see loki kind of like stuart about something you’re and you’re not too sure like exactly you know is he a part of it what’s going on you know this kind of stuff and you know that you know thor gets infuriated with odin that he’s not doing anything about it and so that’s when him and lady sith and the others decide to go and attack the frost giants themselves so that’s when we get this wonderful amazing action sequence which i think is one of my favorite uh you know of the film uh when they have to battle that giant beast which i don’t recall them giving that a name do you do you remember the name for it vincent no i don’t no okay well we get that awesome ice creature that you know they end up having to battle so my next question would be what did you think about that creature and their fight sequence with the people like do you think do you feel like that was a pretty good cgi fight sequences you know for what they had to deal with and what they were fighting i mean i thought it was pretty well done with their cgi magic because i mean it looked pretty realistic and i thought that they did a good job of bringing that to life so what are you guys thought starting with you vincent yeah i definitely think the cgi is really great for the time period especially i was looking it over today and like being a trained eye in movies and whatnot like i am i can see some flaws and things some things that could have been done a little better but those are things that have gotten a lot better since this movie especially with just marvel movies in general um so like the fight scenes where the people are having to be recreated as wireframes and then adding you know textures and shadings and different things like that it gets better over time but even so you know this was 10 years ago now 2011 and the technology while getting better was not great so yeah it’s a little rough around the edges but for the untrained eyes probably not too difficult to follow you know yeah most definitely most definitely how about you jeff what did you think about that fight sequence which fight sequence were we talking about against cyber the fight sequence when thor and his troop go to talk to the ice giants and they end up battling that giant beast yeah you know like i was saying before i mean i don’t know what that was exactly but um it’s interesting it makes you wonder like what all is going on with the frost giants as far as you know we don’t get a lot of backstory or like a lot of history as far as like what their culture is like if do they have cities like where do they live in they live in caves you know what i mean like um you know they appear to just have like random creatures hanging out like you know underground and like you know whatever um it’s very interesting um like just honestly just the whole concept of the frost giants and basically um the the the battle and everything is very typical for the film like i mean honestly from what i can remember correctly what what the what the uh what the critics had a problem with with this film was the plot um and uh you know nobody nobody complained about the characters or four or chris has worth performance or anything like that um it was you know uh literally um you know the plot and so that whole battle was pretty much like um you know you knew thor was gonna like freak out when that frost giant was like go back to your mommy or whatever you know kid or whatever um and basically i kind of felt like if anything they could have made it to where that like that uh that monster or whatever and the frost giants maybe maybe like kick their asses the asgardian’s asses a little bit more i would have liked that better like if they would have really like put a hurt on them and like odin had to literally come in there and like save their lives it didn’t quite get to that level you know but um i love the warriors three like they’re cool they’re a cool part of thor well they were until they died yeah yeah that is true until they were all killed in thor ragnarok exactly film making standpoint i think was put there to show just how much more powerful thor is than lady siff and the warriors three um because he just flies right through the thing’s throat and kills it in one shot whereas they’re being backed up into a you know cliff that they’re about to fall over so i think it’s just to show you he’s like four times as powerful as them if not more yeah i think that’s a good point but yeah sif is still alive like like apparently i haven’t got i haven’t i have not heard like a a credible rumor like obviously from marvel studios or kevin feige saying hey sif will be in like love and thunder but she is yes no it was confirmed she was oh really yeah i was 100 confirmed she was okay because the loki the loki scene where she’s in and it’s like repeating itself was kind of a prelude to what we’re going to see in love and thunder okay okay i mean because that that that scene from uh from the loki series was a flashback from loki’s yeah that wasn’t like real time no no no it wasn’t it just was it was kind of it was supposed to be like a reference to seeing that she was going to be coming back is what i’m saying well yeah that’s what that’s what they were saying i really like her like i like uh what what is her name is it jamie alexander yeah yeah i like her um i really got into the i really got into the blind spot there for a while yeah and that’s the reason one of the reasons uh she didn’t wasn’t in um ragnarok is because she was doing that show and that show’s still still on no it ended it ended like after the third or fourth season i can’t remember how many seasons it went my take on that show was kind of like after i watched the first season i was like they’re not going to be able to make too many seasons of this because the whole concept of it the premise of the show was very like short-lived like there was no way they were going to be able to extend that into some kind of 10-year run true very true she’s very talented and she looks a lot damn different as lady siff than she does on the blind spot oh yeah she did yeah way different so kind of kind of going into another character that we get kind of introduced into this in this film that we get to end up seeing a few of the thor films so far uh is the you know idris elvis character hymandelle and you know hymandell i think is just a really fun character i like the evolution of the character throughout the films and uh even his you know you know basically up until his demise unfortunately in infinity war uh you know we had some really great stories especially in ragnarok we got some really good story and so forth uh and it just was really uh well i thought just really well created so my question for you is when we got first introduced to him adele what was your thoughts on him because if you were an avid you know comic reader you probably you know were familiar with him from the comics what were your thoughts on iris’s take on him and were you happy to see him in the movie uh starting with you vincent so i wasn’t actually too uh familiar with most of thor i’d never really read a whole lot of thor going up into this um in fact i think most of what i did read was in a series called siege in which um asgard actually gets brought down into america in oklahoma i believe just outside of oklahoma city somewhere and um it’s an interesting story that takes place around that whole aspect of it and thor at one point even like basically shows iron man i am infinitely stronger than you and if you don’t knock the crap off i’m gonna knock you the heck out um when they get into kind of a heated debate over whether or not they’re allowed to have the land but i digress um and so i hadn’t really seen a whole lot of volksdog hogan um heimdall ladysliff none of them i had no idea who any of them were going into this movie uh my most of my knowledge up to this point had been spiderman the x-men but going further than this i did get to learn a little bit more about asgard and the guardians of the galaxy and just some of the other more obscure marvel characters and whatnot and um i think that idris elba does a hell of a job he’s a phenomenal actor i have not seen him in anything that i don’t like him in so i mean that really speaks to him and how good of an actor he is and so i think he does a really great job as heimdall and i wish that they had done more with him in the first two movies but at least he got some pretty awesome scream time in for ragnarok and then they gave his character a really nice ending in the beginning of infinity war and i think that he his story wrapped up very nicely and i think he was great in his role i would completely agree i thought that interest is an amazing actor too myself i i also haven’t seen him in anything i didn’t like him in i think one of his best performances actually is in a no good deed uh with taraji p henson and he plays the main bad guy he’s really amazing in that film if you haven’t seen it uh he is just it just show i feel that film really shows his acting abilities and uh you know he’s really good uh how about you jeff what did you think about haimadel well i mean coming off of what vincent already basically laid out um i think that taking the consideration that this was the this was phase one of the mcu i think that um the fact that they got you know idris alba involved in the mcu at all i think is great like i you know kind of i’m not going to complain or critique or like break it down and be like oh they could have done this with them and that with them and this and that and whatever because i mean i’ll be honest with you um if i remember correctly from where things were at from a a standpoint of like the movie industry at that point in 2009 2010 uh idris elba was not a hot commodity really at that point he was like known people knew who he was but he was not he hadn’t done anything um really like standout or anything like that you know what i mean so um honestly uh there’s there’s there’s a movie that he made with matthew mcconaughey like um where he played like this this hero or something going against matthew mcconaughey as like the the villain that i never watched two towers yes i saw the trailer for it in theaters and i thought it looked awesome but i never saw it and i i really hope i remember to go back and watch that movie someday because it looked the whole premise of it looked great but him as heimdall is perfect i mean but then again it’s idris elba he’s great at everything he does so like what are you gonna expect i mean um and just his presence on screen as heimdall is like halting almost like um every time he even says something it almost kind of like freezes time for a minute in the scene and he almost like out acts the rest of the actors that are on the screen like just with his like one sentence you know like he’ll say one thing like five words and it’ll be like more impactful than anything that tom hiddleston says in like a paragraph you know so i mean um you know like hey i freaking love the suicide squad movie i think it’s like the best dc movie that’s come out and who knows how long i think it’s better than anything i’ve seen dc make and who knows how long um isn’t it funny how it took them bringing in a marvel studios director and james gunn to come in and whip the dc film and uh uh sector into shape and be able to pull off a decent dc film um but you know i digress but at the same time we never have ever even talked about the suicide squad on this on this show so you know don’t mind me for um you know giving some praise here because it was a really great movie i really enjoyed it and uh really funny and uh idris elba could play anything and he’d be great but as heimdall in that movie he’s good he’s very impactful very powerful in his small role um they don’t really give him any way or a chance to really demonstrate how powerful he is um in this film you know what i mean and even in ragnarok i felt like well you know i think it’s fair to time skip a little bit when you’re talking about these mcu films and you’re comparing different four films and stuff like that and talking about these characters and i feel like now in ragnarok i do understand that um you know oh there’s jasm yes um just seeing that yes i’m just seeing that jasmine if you’re there brother we love you man it’s good to see you dude what’s up vincent jason is is uh our brother from another mother from rizzle our our home platform so um what up jasm that’s my boy that’s my boy baby but uh anyways um so as far as heimdall goes and ragnarok i guess like he’s really like um his power levels are really kind of subdued because he doesn’t he’s not in the same place that he normally would be in as far as like you know running the bifrost and everything and whatnot and everything he’s kind of just more human-like um but when he’s heimdall like the you know the in charge of the bifrost and everything he’s extremely powerful um like he’s no joke he can like you know he can throw down um and honestly i thought it was really really cool and neat that in that one instance he was going to let thor and the rest of the people whoa the reference to that party is blown um to um uh the frost giants you know uh home territory there um and was willing to like have you know have a blind eye about that whole thing just because he you know nobody had ever gotten past him before and snuck into asgard before those frost giants did you know what i mean so it kind of just showed that like as like hardcore as he is he does have like a mischievous kind of side in a way yep very much so very much so so kind of moving on with the film so we have that action sequence and all of a sudden right towards the end of it odin intercedes with the frost giants and brings back the word loki and all the people and all the gang and so forth and so then you know odin and thor have it out basically and you know thor basically calls him an old fool and saying that i should you know i’m the rightful king right now you’re getting old you’re not doing us any justice anymore you know etc etc and basically that’s when odin banishes him from asgard and we see him kind of get thrown into the bifrost and brought down to earth and that’s kind of they kind of bring it back intersect now to the very beginning of the film when jane and darcy run into him out in the middle of desert so when that happens you know they take him to the hospital and you know funniness ensues basically i feel i think that whole sequence is very funny just what’s going on he calls himself four this and that and then then it basically pans off to majornet which madonna was sent separately from him because now him not being worthy he’s not worthy of using the journal and so jordan morning however you want to come out his his his sword if you want to call it whatever you want to call his handle his axe you know his hammer you know thank you and uh all of a sudden it’s stuck in the middle of you know out in arizona so then we all of a sudden see all these people trying to pull it we get a great stan stanley cameo of him in the truck driving it’s like that uh we get some more kind of like little iterations along with jane and darcy and stella gasgard’s character uh while this is all going on too as well and basically that’s when shield pops up so you know we we’ve already seen shield in previous you know marvel films but when coulson pops up i was literally like holy crap you know shields there coulson’s there i can’t wait to see mora colson and so my next question for you guys is were you looking for more than what you got at that very beginning scene kind of it being that same little uh snippet that they gave you at the end of iron man 2 uh and you know what were your thoughts on coulson did you enjoy bill coulson did you think that he was a good choice for the character and do you think they should have done more with him in that very beginning scene uh starting with you jeff no no because i think that um i think that the strength of uh coulson and the strength of um i can’t remember that for the life of me i wish i could remember but i cannot remember his his actual name the actor who plays him um but i think his strength is actually less of him not more of him you know what i mean like you know kind of like captain marvel you know at the end of the day like i always say greg is his name by the way yes dark grey gap yeah and i feel like don’t get me wrong he’s great in agents of shield and everything like that and whatnot but i feel like that whole mystique of shield being covert and like very precise and concise with what they do and like very very official and in control of every situation they get involved in um i feel like just the short doses of fury of coulson uh doing their thing it kind of lends to the whole uh you know idea that wherever shield shows up they just take control of everything like that like they have this overarching power legally you know and federally to where they can just basically do whatever they want to do um and i feel like they were still building a mystique with shield leading up to the avengers where they didn’t want to overdo it with any of the characters you know they only wanted us to see so much of hawkeye you know in this film they really they really didn’t want us to see much of them just enough for us to know it was hawkeye um that’s not to jump ahead but um i think coulson honestly um i mean look again when it comes to the casting of these movies in the mcu they’re just ridiculously good i mean like seriously i mean look i guess you could kind of like look at some of these characters and look at some of these roles and say oh well you know what i can think of like three or four or five other people who could have played that character or whatever and been just as good or better or whatever you know what i mean like i’m sure there’s plenty of people who would try to say that but at the end of the day you can only work with what actually happens like reality is reality and at the end of the day um all these characters no matter what their level in the hierarchy of the mcu are was were really good at what they did they served their purpose and i think that that lends to not only the casting but to the directing of the films because i think at the end of the day it’s the directors and the assistants of the of the directors that are basically in charge of making it clear to the actors what they’re looking for from them on screen and in these projects and also are kind of there to back them up and support them morally or emotionally if you’re having a bad day or lift their spirits up or pump them up or whatever about something or whatever or or even in some instance kind of just explain to them clearly in a certain situation or spot in a film what they really need from them as an actor or as an actress with that character and i feel like uh you know at the end of the day um i feel like it’s just that the symmetry of all the working pieces with marvel studios productions it just seems to everything seems to be perfect and work out great pretty much like all the time um and uh i love shield um i miss shield in the mcu i miss it i loved it um you know and we’ll get into this when we when we review when we review the avengers shield is a major aspect of the avengers film you don’t have an avengers film without shield very true very true how about you vincent well i just have one question for you guys why do you name a character hot guy if he’s not going to be the most attractive man in the group there we go yeah hot guy let’s play on his name sorry that was a bad joke i don’t know hawkeye i actually had a a kid telling me one time that he thought it was weird that they named him hot guy and i’m like no his name was hawkeye but yeah it was a really nice for a lot of fans like comic book fans especially when hawkeye popped up in this movie like it was big it was a big thing it really was i we haven’t ever gotten to see his classic iconic you know pointy eye uniform yet but you know maybe we will at some point but i don’t really think anybody’s panning for it too much so probably i don’t think so i think i think the reason they’ve never done that is because it just they don’t think it’s appealing yeah it just doesn’t look good on camera it’s not look doesn’t look good in real life looks great on paper but not in not in this situation but anyway um like yeah i totally agree with what you’re saying about shield they were this big mystical weird mysterious entity and you’re like what is going on with them are they like the men in black they just kind of come in and take what they want and study it and research it are they even funded by the government are they a private agency yeah what’s going on with them and so they just kind of played a little bit more into that mystique in this movie here and that went all the way through i think until the very first avengers movie you really get to see what they are and how big stuff is and how deep it goes and you get more and more as time goes on uh you get to see a lot of it in captain marvel um so yeah you really don’t get to see a whole lot of shield or figure out what they are until the avengers movie and then the winter soldier yeah that one too you get a lot of it in that very much so very much so so as we continue on so we you know basically chill shows up they take over the site uh we get our first clip to hawkeye as jeff mentioned uh you know or hot guy as one person has said to vincent and uh you know we kind of we get a brief encounter with him you get a little bit of understanding of him you really don’t get to know him until avengers uh which is gonna be fun to talk about in that but you get kind of a little bit of a feel of who hawkeye a little bit is you you know you get your first take on the character and stuff like that uh you know in a great scene between him and coulson and so forth and you know as we travel on a whole bunch of stuff you know basically you know you know happens and inspires and uh you know and basically you know you get more interactions with you know the gang thor’s gang and then you know contemplating you know what has happened to thor and stuff like that uh we get loki talking to odin you know you know basically you know what the hell you know am i a frost giant this and that and basically odin falls into the odin’s sleep uh and then you know we get some more thor and jane and kind of his interactions on earth going on he learns about kind of the customs a little bit he eats earth food and stuff like this him and and stella skasgard’s character which i always i don’t know why his name always escapes me his character in the film dr something thank you and uh you know they have a great kind of like camaraderie at the at the uh the bar and stuff like that we have him like fight the different nurses and stuff like that and a few scenes and uh basically you know we end up all of a sudden we get to the part uh you know he’s trying to have jane help him get to his you know to madonna and or his hammer as we’d like to call it yeah and uh so you know basically he he’s you know he’s got to find a steed so he decides to go to the pet store and try to find a horse which you know of course they don’t care horses there and he ends up eventually down in arizona where the hammer is meow meow and uh you know he he basically starts fighting off you know agent seals they capture him and start talking to him and loki pops up and talks to him briefly and uh it you know it kind of just continues continues to spiral out of control for thor down on earth and you know he finds out of course that odin is an odin sleep you know this and that and then you know basically that’s when you know all hell pretty much breaks loose and uh you know thor basically starts to figure out that you know he is you know what he needs to do basically and you know his game shows up to help them out and that’s when the destroyer pops up and so we have this giant you know take out battle in this little town in arizona uh with a destroyer so my next question is what did you think about that action sequence there where you know when all the the people from asgard come down and are fighting the destroyer in this little city so starting with you vincent what did you think about that whole fight sequence there i think it’s really cool that lady siff is really the only one that does any damage to the monster before thor gets his powers back however it does feel like kenneth branagh didn’t know how exactly to use these characters what their kind of strengths and weaknesses were what they could have brought to the table and they just kind of get tossed around a little bit for a little bit of a time so it just makes them seem really weak and i don’t really know that the characters ever really do bring a lot to the table in all three movies that they’re in which kind of sucks but yeah i would have liked to have seen more with them particularly i think it would have been a better fight scene that way and like i said earlier this fight scene is more memorable than what happens between thor and loki but the thor and loki fight is better choreographed it seems like they actually kind of know what they’re doing um so yeah but i think it’s just the destroyer monster you know zapping things with a giant face laser is a little bit more memorable than a spear fighting a hammer you know yeah most definitely i would agree with that uh 100 uh i really enjoyed this scene i thought it was really well done uh for what it was uh to kind of reiterate about you saying about the you know kenneth brown not really knowing about the fight choreography what to do with these characters uh one thing to mention is that this movie actually was in development hell since 1991 one of the actual writers that was a part of this film actually originally started writing this story back in 1991 and he went through many studios before he got picked up by paramount and it actually had a different director attached to the film before kenneth braun came on which was actually matthew vaughn who did the kingsman movies and kick ass and so i actually was thinking when i found that out i was like holy crap i think this would have been a lot better fighted film if they had had matthew vaughn come in because he knows how to kick ass especially in kick-ass what he showed in kick-ass was just pure amazing and with the kingsman’s and then even with um uh he also directed uh one of the x-men films first class and that movie was really well choreographed yeah so i mean i think thor could have been a way different film if they had if matthew vaughn had stayed on because he actually was supposed to direct it and it get released in 2010. so i think that’s kind of interesting you know after kenneth braun came on how different that fight sequence could have been so i just wanted to throw that out there i’m about to start dropping the uh captions for everything that you just talked about like in the next five or ten minutes i’m gonna i’m gonna be dropping the text of the whole like story of like the potential opportunities of the horror movie coming out over the years that never came out yep okay cool cool thank you uh so just with you doing that jeff just a brief uh talk about for yourself there what did you think about that fight sequence i think that um you know i don’t want to sidetrack the question but i want to just take from it like what what really you know stands out to me um with this film and that’s the fact that they even got seven stars guard into this film um and into the mcu because as opposed to um alba right stellen skarsgard had already made his bones by then like he didn’t have to be a part of the mcu he didn’t need this he didn’t need a role in the mcu or anything like that i mean the guy is like a classically trained you know legit professional actor that can handle his business and any movie is is like lucky to have him basically i mean he’s about to be in dune um as um uh lord uh baron harkin and from the trailers he looks disgusting basically like just like literally savage um in the role but um i mean uh like it’s it just again i think that it’s one thing if it’s 2015 2018 2020 and you see actors and actresses wanting to work for marvel studios and wanting to be a part of this whole thing seeing what’s possible with it and the kind of success they can have money that can be made but you go back to 2008 2009 when they casted when they actually did cast this film um you know going to 2010 there was no i there was no way of knowing what was going to happen with the mcu there was no way of knowing what the the overall success was going to be like um certainly nobody at that point believed that like overall like three out of the top five highest grossing box office films ever would end up being avenger films out of the you know out of the mcu nobody would have known thought that back then um and i think that with stalin skarsgard i don’t know what the hell it was with him that he was attracted to actually decide to like be a part of this maybe it was event that anthony hopkins had already signed on and you know um and um you know i don’t know but maybe he wanted to do something less dramatic or less intense but or maybe he literally just like was so smart he saw what was coming and was like you know what i want to be a part of this and um he’s great in his limited role in thor and in the avengers and everything he’s great but talk about like a great actor i mean can you imagine like what it’s like behind the scenes on these films when you’re like chris hemsworth and you’re acting with stella skarsgard talk about intimidation you know what i mean like seriously i mean um you know uh stalin stark has like stan lee type clouds so i mean you know well i don’t know about that nobody has stan lee just has clout that nobody can talk about but they’re true but no uh to actually answer your question i thought that um i thought that everything kind of played out with that fight theme with that battle scene and everything kind of like the way it looked like it was going to there was nothing surprising about it um of course like the the the warriors three and like human thor are not going to be able to take on the destroyer like how’s that going to work um and i feel like basically with the secondary characters i felt like jay foster and darcy are fun and like they’re an interesting element to the movie and everything and whatnot but the love relationship dynamic like the relationship between jane foster and thor is kind of whatever like it’s it’s you know there’s nothing all that really all that exciting about it it’s not like freaking tony and pepper type type stuff you know um it was kind of forced i guess is my point but yeah i mean like i said i love the destroyer and um you know i don’t know if you want me to go as far as this but i thought that when thor decided to like basically like sacrifice his life for earth and for the humans and for the human beings like and for and for jane that was really powerful very much so very much i mean that pretty much brings me into what i was going to talk about next you know basically then you know we move on after that fight sequence thor you know basically gives his life for the earth and for jane and everyone and you know that basically restores his powers and gives him back the hammer or aka mimi and uh and so you know we get thor comes back he’s he’s poor again he’s got his powers and everything and that’s when you know it kind of goes from there and uh you know basically you know then that’s when uh he goes back up to asgard and he starts taking on loki and that kind of brings us to that battle sequence that happens on the bifrost and we get this interesting battle between loki and everything and uh you know when when we first saw the bifrost you know i was an odds by process i thought the bifrost was so cool looking and so when they had to destroy it to you know stop loki i was kind of like pissed about that because i’m like this thing is so awesome looking and you destroyed it in the first movie i’m like oh my god and you know you know talking about that you know ever you know vincent has mentioned a few times that that scene isn’t very memorable as a lot of the other fight sequences in the film and i completely agree with that i thought that it would it was very underwhelming because it kind of is like they hit each other a few times kind of do a few things thor breaks it and you know supposedly loki falls to his death you know and it was kind of very it was very short and very sweet to the point basically on that in that fight sequences so my thoughts were what were your thoughts fully on that scene so starting with you vincent so there’s aspects to this movie that i absolutely love um coming from a shakespearean background as myself um kenneth branagh being a huge shakespearean icon doing henry v and henry iv and a couple others shakespearean movies and whatnot in there seeing that drama and a little bit of the comedy of shakespeare being put up on screen in these movies you have like henry four and five like i mentioned you also have a little bit of romeo and juliet with the two factions fighting each other the frost giants and asgardians um one of them like coming into the other side you have the father-son dynamics you have the brothers dynamic these are all big shakespearean um sort of plot lines and plot devices like hamlet and whatnot so you’re seeing all of that background and all of this and and there’s aspects to it the sacrifice of it for example is a huge part of shakespeare it’s that you gotta kill everybody in the cast in drama um and so you know thor sacrifices himself twice in this family he was dope as hell in hamlet yeah so thor sort of sacrifices something twice in this he sacrifices his body in order to protect jane and the warriors three and lady sif from the destroyer which then gives him his powers back and then he sacrifices the bright the bifrost not knowing that there is any other way to ever see jane foster again and so he sacrifices his love and so there’s that ultimate theme of sacrifice at the end which is really powerful and beautiful to me um ultimately at as far as the entire movie goes that’s what i like the most about it is that sacrifice is the um compassion that he shows for his friends and his um hopefully future love interest we haven’t actually gotten to really see them be lovers really other than like a kiss and fun fact he did not even kiss natalie portman in that scene he kissed his real life wife uh in uh for the dark world just throwing that out there really man if i had a chance to like to kiss some like some strange chick or whatever like and i was married to it i’d be all over it well natalie portman wasn’t available for filming that day and so they lined up a bunch of girls that could be you know extra stand in and they go which one do you want to kiss and he goes well my real life wife is here how about i just kiss her i feel like very much i’ll kiss the one who shows up in my freaking trailer like an hour after we get done with this yeah you would you would jeffrey you would jeffrey you naughty boy is that i mean yeah that that fits it perfectly yeah because it is a very great ending it really is very powerful and you know i didn’t mention much about the love triangle between you know jane and thor and this because like you were all saying there’s really no existence to it except for that you know of that one kiss really and so they kind of talk a little bit about that just briefly just to kind of iterate about that you know you know that there’s love between them you know that thor has feelings for her you know that jane has feelings for him and that that is very apparent throughout the film but really that love triangle like they have between like you know you know jeff brought out you know pepper and iron man or um even like i think the relationship between uh you know dr strange and you know his the his girl that you know is like his love this life that they kind of they reiterate in what if that those were really more romantic like versions of like romance to me versus what they had in thor because thor really was kind of basing itself more on thor who thor is they weren’t trying to show that relationship in this film so that’s i think that’s kind of like what love and thunder is going to kind of go more for and bring that more to fruition yes i think it’s authenticity cyber i think that’s what’s lacking really kind of like i think there’s no chemistry there kind of potentially maybe between so this isn’t there’s nothing there you know between um who’s hemsworth and um that natalie portman for whatever reason they just don’t seem to connect or vibe at that level that like that pony and pepper do you know or like you know or uh or star-lord or gamora even like they’re like even their like dynamic is like more believable and like fun and like seems real you know i just wanted to point out um i’m not like a huge fan of uh jane um natalie portman or whatever as far as like you know uh how she looks or whatever she’s all right um i would definitely have to have her and darcy together uh if we were ever gonna hang out and chill or whatever you know privately um i need to have darcy to kick in with that too because darcy kind of gives off that vibe like she’d be down for whatever i mean she like she checked up with howard on what if like so i mean you know she’s freaky yep yep true true there jeff very true if she’s down with howard the duck that i should have no problem with her very true so to wrap this up before we get into our next little segment to round out the show just to kind of wrap things up for the thor film so basically like we were saying you know basically you know thor destroys the bifrost to stop loki loki falls basically to step we think loki is dead we find out later that he’s not uh you know in the next film of course a bit but basically how the film rounds out you know you thor finds out that he can transport still down to earth he ends up have they have like a little end scene where he ends up back down there and sees jane and uh you know basically they have kind of like a little kiss and that’s basically how the movie rounds out uh so just to close out the the movie your final thoughts friends uh and uh so we will have each of you kind of just give your final thoughts on the film talk about whatever you like uh starting with you jeff well i i wanted to point out that i think that um it’s really really cool to see to watch thor now in 2021 and see tom hiddleston then younger looking you know fresh you know new to the mcu and everything and whatnot it’s just very enjoyable to see him at that precipice of his you know uh participation in the mcu compared to the loki that we’ve gotten in infinity war um you know the loki that we’ve gotten in the loki series like tom hiddleston has really taken that character to places that i don’t know that that most people would have even realized more capable or possible upon watching for you know i mean um if anything let’s be honest here if you go and look on tick tock or like you know rizzle or if you go and look on the in the phantom you go on reddit there’s there’s actually at this point there’s probably just as many young women out there that are into loki as are into thor like yeah i mean it’s kind of 50 50 like if not more like for loki you know i mean um and i feel like it really says a lot about loki as a character in the mcu when um in every like possible situation throughout the thor film where he could actually do something right and like actually do something positive and like show that there was some shred of decency about him he still screws everybody over no matter what like no matter what the frost giants sneak into asgard because he let them in to start off with you know he’s lying to everybody the whole time and you know he actually like i think that they never really said it but i think that like he purposely acted and reacted to like his actual birth and like his actual being of a frost giant when he like went off on odin i think he did that on purpose to cause him to like go into the odin sleep i do um i think that it was evident that he was actually close to a time where he needed to do the odin’s sleep anyway they already knew that that he was due that’s how the odin’s sleep works there’s only so much time and whatever you know to wear there’s like cycles to where he needs to go into the odin’s sleep so he was due and he took advantage of that situation i think and he’s just like malicious i mean you know he wanted to kill for this movie like completely kill him um he that’s the only thor movie that you see where loki wants to kill thor completely like just wants them dead um and as far as the the film goes i don’t know that i agree with the critics that say that the plot’s terrible or whatever or you know it doesn’t flow well or i think that you’ve got to be realistic about when this movie came out and you know where where it was at in the mcu you know timeline and um i think that overall the casting of this film was ridiculous the the cast they put together for this movie was just insane i mean literally i mean you compare this to any of the other mcu films that came out in phase one i don’t think there’s another film in phase one that has a cast other than the avengers as talented as this cast i mean you’ve got multiple multiple oscar-winning you know actors and actresses out here um playing like bit parts you know i mean um i forget her name the address that plays freya um renee russo renee russo renee russo is awesome i mean she’s great like she’s excellent as freya but she’s been great forever like she’s not a new commodity you know like they just managed to get all these great actors and actresses to play the these characters in this movie um i don’t know what i don’t know if it had to do with kenneth branagh being the director maybe you know like maybe that was an influence where um because i mean look at these all these european uk you know type uh actors that ended up you know coming in this film the fact they got anthony hopkins to play this role in the mcu that really added like a major level of legitimacy to this film the fact that just having anthony hopkins as a part of anything adds legitimacy to it so i just think that again this cast you got idris alba in a bit part you know he only has like five lines in the entire film um look at him now you know like it’s it’s crazy because um i just really enjoy the lore of the film industry aspect of the mcu and of marvel and these actors and actresses and trying to look backwards and imagine and think you know what were they thinking signing on to do this stuff signing deals and stuff like that because you know that they locked up anthony hopkins you know all those and all these actors and whatnot right right off the bat to like multiple film contracts just like they did with everybody else they weren’t one-offs um so i feel like um overall like vincent mentioned i feel like there’s definitely a real shakespearean organic moral play in this film with sacrifice that’s really important and valuable and really connects very well to the stan lee message of marvel comics if you know stan lee’s ethos as far as like what he wanted marvel comics to be to people and the kids and everything it lines up with the morality of this film very well um sacrifice brotherhood sisterhood yeah you know like those are the are the core elements of the stan lee ethos so yeah i feel like it’s great it’s you know hey any freaking movie that stan lee got a chance to cameo in is awesome to me yep like there’s just something special about the fact that they managed to have stan lee cameo in this film and um overall i feel like this film holds up to the point where you guys might think maybe might think something differently but i feel like if you’re a brand new mcu fan if you’re kloss or deja cyber and you go and watch this movie thor you’re gonna like it whether you are like an old school mcu fan or a comic book fan or whatever yep yep so to finish that off one out of ten what do you give for oh man that’s hard um because i want to be fair honestly taking into consideration the entire spectrum of the directing the the cinematography the plot the story the characters how well the the actors and actresses played them uh the energy of the movie i give it a 6.5 out of 10. okay awesome so uh how about you vincent uh your overall impression and at a one out of ten what would you give for as well so you gotta hand it to kenneth branagh for bringing these characters to life he has really built an amazing world in this first movie um asgard we still use that design of asgard even upwards as far as loki when you get to see old loki rebuild it in an illusion like they use that exact asgard so that’s something that kenneth branagh brought to the table the costume design is all because of him um just thor in general’s like whole demeanor his accent his walk his talk all of that stuff is from kenneth branagh also he really knows how to bring out a performance in people some of the performances in this movie are so good when loki lashes out at uh odin is like tell me that is such a deep powerful guttural response um there’s a point where loki goes to odin is like father and odin points at him goes that wasn’t scripted that wasn’t directed that was just them being in that scene and sir anthony hopkins being so deeply into his character that he just felt the need to growl at his son for even bothering to interrupt him i love that type of stuff um so that those types of things i love about this movie and while my wife and i are downstairs watching this she happened to go you know i had forgotten how good this movie actually is and i agreed with her now does that make it a perfect movie no not even close um does it even make it like a really good marvel movie yeah kind of actually i think it does i think it’s it’s middle of the ground at least um you know we have a lot more movies that are way worse than this but that doesn’t make them bad either um if i was to give this out of 10 i’d probably give it a solid eight because my worst which is for the dark world i probably have that at about a 6.5 because i don’t hate it in any sense of the word it’s just not where marvel quality should be thor i think is where marvel quality should be it’s a good quality movie and very few things that i actually don’t like about it one thing in particular that bothers me a lot is all of the weird like tilted angle shots that you have i don’t know why kenneth brauna did like every other shot that way but he did maybe he was trying to be jj abrams with his lens flare stuff you know this is going to be my specific way of directing i’m going to have these weird angled shots and everybody’s going to know that it’s a my movie because i have these weird angled shots i don’t know it was very reminiscent to me of like the old batman show because they did a lot of those types of angles in that show and i think he was kind of from what i understand he in an interview he mentioned that he was trying to give homage to that like the superhero genres of the 60s so that’s why he did those kind of angles but cyber if you don’t mind me saying vincent you can say what you want about thor dark world and of course we all think it’s not a great movie but they did a better job visually with asgard in that movie than they did in this movie oh absolutely but that’s that comes from uh several extra years of um technology updates and probably a higher budget as well i would guess very true so that is the end of our thor review folks i want to thank you for watching so we’re going to round out this awesome show with a final segment where mr jeff here mr true knowledge is going to take it away and give us a little mcu news so take it away jeff well i just want to point out that thank you very much cyber for remembering the troll true knowledge tag because i’ve been playing around with that recently and just to be clear the way that that came about was not because i’m like just so into myself that i decided to come up with a perfect uh screen name for myself or whatever i um i’m a member of sakaar not freeforms.net just like cyber oh stop cyber and i had to pick a screen name on there just like all the other like uh podcast of champion guys or whatever have like a a weird screen name or whatever that they use so i picked true knowledge and that’s where it came up it came from and it stopped so but thank you cyber i appreciate that um so basically as far as the news goes i didn’t get to to put this in our last news segment that cyber and i did but i wanted to discuss this with vincent and with cyber the fact that obviously we know that the hawkeye series is coming out soon a couple weeks it’ll be it’ll be out echo the the deaf um super he’s you know super heroine um kind of secondary character that’s going to be a part of the rock night series um who is the first deaf character in the mcu and is being played by a a deaf actress um which i think is really cool um echo’s going to have her own disney plus series as a spin-off from hawkeye already we know that for a fact and her power is that she is exactly the same as um uh from uh black widow um cat master she had the same power as task masker the ability to automatically photocopy and then use any type of combat skills or moves or fighting skills or whatever to anybody else that she sees on film or whatever in front of her she can come copy it and mimic it herself that’s her skill so you know i think it’s interesting i’m sure i think we all saw a black widow by now right um and i know cyber you know even you were a little bit like not so happy that the whole taskmaster situation ended up the way it did do you think it’s kind of cool that we’re gonna get a character that has the same exact abilities as taskmaster uh i mean i i haven’t heard much about that i mean i briefly heard about that supposed spin-off show from the hawkeye character um it’ll be interesting to see what they do with that and if it lives up to taskmaster himself uh in the comic books uh like yeah like you said i we i wasn’t too sh you know happy with how they did taskmaster and you know uh in black widow i mean i get where they took it why they did it that way i get that you know having to be his daughter and stuff like that you know i get that but in the comics to stay true the character he was a man and he had those abilities he had that ability to basically mimic any other character you know that he saw and so when the you know they showed that it was a woman i was like okay that’s okay i get that um but i just didn’t think that she was as solid and fluid as you know the real tax massacre was in like the comics and what i’ve seen of him before and i thought that it that was you know bad casting at in that point because i think olga uh karlinko do we say her last name she’s a fine actress like she does good in drama she does good and you know stuff like that uh action and stuff like that but she i just didn’t feel like she really possessed taskmaster like the character itself i didn’t feel like it was i was watching taskmaster i felt like i was watching a female iteration of taskmaster so it’ll be interesting to see what this series brings of this deaf character and that she has the same ability it’d be interesting to see like an actual character that’s not named taskmaster do this type of deal so uh it should be interesting hopefully you know i enjoy the character in the hawkeye series and i want to watch the series that she’s a part of well they knew when they made black widow that they were going to have echo coming out and that she was going to be a part of the mcu and everything so they basically knew back then that that taskmaster character was never going to be back in the mcu again because they’re not going to have two characters in the mcu that do the same exact thing that wouldn’t work what do you think vincent well i don’t think that they’re going to kill off taskmaster entirely because they didn’t bring in the actual person who is taskmaster tony masters they haven’t cast him yet they haven’t introduced him they haven’t even said his real name as far as i know um instead it was drakov’s daughter who was the taskmaster and i i don’t think did they kill her in black no no she survived she was badly injured but she survived so it’s very possible they could bring back taskmaster i don’t think they they’re done with him entirely um as far as echo goes isn’t ekko also the daughter of kingpin yes echo is the i believe the uh step-daughter or like the uh you know foster or something like that daughter of kingpin and she’s actually a big uh character in the daredevil universe and i would not be surprised if when charlie cox comes back comes to the mcu and we get that daredevil disney plus show i would not be surprised if you see echo uh guesting on the daredevil show too because she’s one of matt murdock’s uh lovers kind of like elektra same kind of deal okay and there’s rumors or maybe it’s been confirmed by now that vincent d’onofrio’s kingpin is going to be in the hawkeyes so i’m i’m guessing that marvel is gonna if they’ve already planned on doing this whole echo series then they are putting a lot behind this character especially considering hawkeye the tv series hasn’t come out yet and we haven’t really had audience you know reaction or interaction with this character yet but they’re already planning a full series i mean they’re also planning a full series for agatha harkness from uh wandavision and we actually did get to see her and get to interact with her and whatnot and so that’s really great that we actually get to have that show with her um but i’m i’m curious as to what’s gonna happen with echo why they’re doubling down on her before the audience has even had a chance to get to know her do you think that it could potentially be a boy vincent where that’s like a kind of a woke thing like just because she’s deaf and she’s like disabled sort of in a way that maybe they want to play off that maybe um i’m not sure honestly but they also are finally bringing in uh hawkeye’s hard of hearingness into the mcu there’s several shots out there where he’s wearing hearing aids um which i’m guessing they’re gonna make it because of the time during um end game when he’s running down the hallway and the chitauri are chasing him and he explodes stuff you know probably explosions just constantly are what caused his deafness or or hard of hearingness i’m not sure exactly it’s gonna be really interesting to see this actress i forget her name they already have cast obviously the echo character and everything and whatnot but i’m going to be really interested to see how well she does hawkeye because if they felt that confident in her to go ahead and give her a series on disney plus when they’re not even willing to like confirm second seasons for like most of the shows and everything you know that says a lot i think i think vincent i think that’s kind of in a way on your own way on your own wavelength where you were going with this as far as like this is kind of strange for the mcu and for marvel yeah it makes you wonder like what is you know maybe this actress is great in this role in this role you know who knows but i agree with you i wouldn’t write off the taskmaster character at all because they could always bring in pony masters um and just have his own uh taskmaster character and just write off uh you know uh draco’s daughter because i would think that that that taskmaster would be a perfect candidate for the um the thunderbolts when they decide to finally put together the thunderbolts of the dark avengers absolutely you know like there’s no question about it it’s going to happen um what’s her name uh uh julia lewis dreyfus character um you know so i mean um it’s gonna happen we’re gonna get multiple multiple teams in the mcu of different characters as far as i can count we currently have four yeah we’re going to have young avengers at some point here soon it’s going to happen they’re going to start kate bishop is one of the first pieces of the young avengers coming out in the hawkeye series yep um she’ll definitely be on that team and that might even be something where they might even potentially want to start that off with an animated series and go then with an animated series with the young avengers to introduce them kind of give them an origin story then you roll out the young avengers as a disney plus series or as a film but i you know whatever i’m segueing so basically from comicbook.com we’ve got john oliver blast marvel cinematic universe on last week tonight so let’s see what john oliver john oliver decided to take a quick shot at the marvel cinematic universe on this week’s episode of last week’s tonight during a half hour about misinformation and its role in the internet he had to get a quick dig on the wildly popular franchise one of the viral videos they aggregated for the episode showed off how easy it was to pass off false information about medical cures on tic toc or what’s up app or what’s that once the tutorial was complete oliver noted that this was basically the script that all the biggest misinformation accounts used it’s a matter of styles and labels which you quickly likened to the marvel studios movies he sniped all it takes is a few superficial labels and style choices to convince people that something with no real substance is actually meaningful and good or as is known in america a marvel cinematic universe okay well i’m not going to go with this i think john oliver is a goddamn douchebag to begin with tell you the truth i think he has no talent he’s a hack and um you know honestly um i can’t even believe they pay him for what he does to tell you the truth but it is what it is that’s just my personal take but um i you know i kind of at this point just laugh at these people who criticize marvel studios like this and these films you know because i mean they’re criticizing for really like at this point you know at that when you’re when you’re saying that stuff so i just want to go around you guys you know i mean you guys have all heard the comments from all the different you know for martin scorsese from every all the different people in the industry i think that um uh denny villene nuevo with dune actually just like took a shot at the marvel cinematic universe in marvel studios too um you know vincent what do you think when the when these people in the film industry pop off about marvel studios well i mean they’re entitled to their opinion it doesn’t mean they’re right doesn’t mean they’re wrong just means that it’s an opinion you know they don’t want to like the marvel cinematic universe fine don’t be a part of it nobody cares like i don’t put any um i don’t put any like recognition i don’t give a crap what celebrity says about what other celebrity thing to do about this that or the other thing like that’s your opinion i don’t care about your opinion the only opinion of persons the only person’s opinion that i care about is my own and to a lesser extent my wife’s anybody else’s it’s your opinion well vincent what about what about when they talk down to the fandom and they try to make it sound like we’re stupid more than likely what’s going to happen is less and less people are going to agree with them and watch their stuff i mean when’s the last time you watched something made by martin scorsese i haven’t watched anything in years you know um you all you’re going to do if you talk down to people is you’re just going to piss them off you know if you want to have an opinion about something then express your opinion then move on with your life but don’t make people feel like [ __ ] for having that opinion and and don’t talk down to people like you said people are smart everybody has a right to say whatever they want and do whatever they want because this is america or you know other free countries of the world but if you’re just going to be an ass about stuff then why the hell would people care yeah cyber i basically put it down to is you know these these directors are getting less and less people to view their product so they’re getting jealous over how popular mcu has become and that they’re taking their fandom away from them because people are more interested in watching these superhero films than their films and that’s honestly i think why a lot of these directors get on that is because they’re losing fans to something that’s making more money than them i i think it’s all about jealousy to me because whenever you read or hear them say these certain things you can just hear that tone in their voice of a jealous person and you could just you can see that that’s what’s going on here uh because especially like when martin scorsese first came out with that you know talking about that kind of stuff uh it i could just tell that it was because his stuff wasn’t getting any more recognition anymore like because the irishman you know he came out with it in 2019 and even though you know that was considered a huge oscar contender and stuff like that it didn’t get as much recognition as say the marvel films that year you know captain marvel and uh ant-man and the wasp you know those brought in more revenue and brought in more views than his stuff did so i think it all it all comes down to jealousy and you know they’re losing fans so they’re pissed that they’re not making what they used to well what surprises me is that i always thought the whole deal with the film industry was that they were united and that they supported each other and everything and whatnot like you know to some extent so it just kind of surprises me you know i mean that um i don’t think it’s i just i just wish that um i can’t i don’t understand i guess at times when it comes to actually talking down the to the fans and like acting as if those of us that are part of the fandom and love these movies so much and everything and and react the way we do the trailers and like get so energized by these films and everything you know and that we’re so captivated by end game and infinity war and everything and they’re so they’re so pivotal to us you know i think it kind of just is insulting that they take that they try to take that away from us and you know like try to make it sound like uh you know we’re uh you know we’re idiots or whatever when in reality um i think that this content these movies these films are more valuable and impactful and powerful then maybe they give credit but moving on so i don’t know i know maybe cyber you might have already heard about this and you know what vincent you may have heard about this already too uh but essentially they’ve went ahead and casted the adam warlock role in guardians of the galaxy three yep and i believe that it’s is it william poulter yep yes it’s william poulter who looks very young to me i’ll be honest with you very young um he looks like he’s a teenager to tell you the truth but maybe that’s just the picture i’m looking at is he older than that vincent yeah yeah he’s been acting in hollywood for a little while now um the first thing i ever really remember seeing him in was we’re the millers with jennifer anderson um he might have been like late teens and that which that was like seven eight years ago somewhere in there so he’s probably in his mid-20s now okay yeah i think that would be roughly how about how old he is i’d have to look it up but he’s in shameless too yeah he’s in shameless the black mirror episode vander snatch i think is what it’s called um he’s in that and he’s really good in that like he’s a great actor i i enjoy watching him so i think he’s probably going to do this role justice especially if he can get jacked enough for it because adam warlock’s a hell of a character he’s basically space jesus james gunn completely confirmed this totally so this is legit or else james gunn you know wouldn’t have said a word about it on twitter or whatever but he did he said this is what’s going on and what do you guys think i mean is it is this even like on your radar does it matter to you that like we finally are gonna get adam warlock oh absolutely for me yeah and adam warlock’s one of my all-time favorite characters i think he’s awesome um i honest to god the only person i could ever picture in the role for some reason was zac efron i thought for sure they’d go with him because he’s kind of they got that soft but yet in charge voice he’s already pretty jacked and ripped looking he’s got the perfect face which you know adam warlock is basically a perfect being so that’s why i thought you know uh zac efron but i i think will poulter’s gonna do a great job yeah when i found out that when they found out that they casted him i was kind of like cracking up i’m like well he don’t really look the part but he is a good actor so if he like like vincent was saying if he gets jacked enough he could do some decent justice because he is definitely a good actor he’s got great comedic chops and uh his serious side is pretty decent too uh because from some of his stuff and shameless he did some serious stuff in that so i thought it was pretty uh decent so i mean if he gets you know if he gets buff enough and he really gives us you know a that tour de force that he has we might get a really decent adam warlock uh just like you know vincent was saying you know you know basically adam were like really is like jesus he’s supposed to be a perfect creature like perfect person so when i saw his face and i was like he’s not really a pretty boy because i feel adam more like is supposed to be a pretty boy um from what i’ve seen in the comics from what i’ve read about the character and so forth so i was thinking like you know like zac efron like type of look like vincent was saying so i was really surprised there’s going to be a lot of makeup involved in that in that role so i was surprised they picked you know him so it’d be interesting to see if they what they do to him to make him look like adam warlock yeah well i think what it boils down to when it comes to getting these these actors and actresses jacked i think it boils down to the actor themselves and the actress themselves whether or not they’re willing to do what’s necessary because they they get they give them the tools they give them the the trainers they give them you know whatever they need to do it i think it boils down to you know i’m sure you guys heard the rumors about um with the batman film over in the dc territory that um there were concerns with um i forgot his name right now that’s robert pattinson robert pattinson not wanting to go to the gym or not wanting to work out or whatever potentially or something like that um during the filming or during the shooting or whatever but i think that um i definitely agree with both of you guys adam warlock is a big dude you know like he’s jacked and so if this guy doesn’t put on like 30 or 40 pounds of muscle you know like like do some chris hemsworth type work then it’s not going to work because it’s going to be like uh the freaking fox apoca uh you know apocalypse from that’s the x-men movie where he looked like a crackhead i mean seriously he looked like he was like gonna die oh man yeah that was a horrible looking apocalypse i 100 agree yeah i mean they completely they destroyed the they like killed the character with that like presentation yeah moving on again we’ve got john krasinski and emily blunt suit up and stunning fantastic four footage john kasich and emily blunt unite as richards and sue storm in this the mcu is finally on the verge of bringing the fantastic four back to the big screen known to fans as marvel’s first family the foursome have been so incredibly elusive for marvel studios with the three previously released movies having come from fox yada yada when it comes to bringing the fantastic four to life in the mcu two names often associated with two of the primary characters are john krasinski and emily blunt with fans often naming them as the favorites to play reed richards and thor and so basically if i understand this correctly this is just like a fan video um and this amazing fan video gives us an idea of what that could look like it’s just a fan video did she cyber if i’m not correct didn’t she already say she doesn’t want to play sue storm correct she feels that she she’s not right for the mcu and she doesn’t want to be a superhero so you know i from my understanding she’s not playing sue storm uh and i don’t know i don’t know what that means for john krasinski i mean he still could be in play i don’t know but i haven’t heard anything else about him being mr fantastic within the last few months or any other rumors going around uh the the fantastic four kind of um info was has kind of like died out for the moment so who knows what uh you know all of a sudden it might just pop up and all of a sudden be like oh yeah we’re gonna put have these people ask the fantastic four well vincent uh from deseret news eternals will redefine the marvel cinematic universe kevin feige says will the eternals reshape what we know about the mcu um i’m not going to go through the whole article i think just the statement by kevin feige that the eternals will redefine the mcu is pretty powerful and worth an opinion on um vincent do you think that the eternal film is going to going to be able to authentically reshape the mcu yeah absolutely in fact i think this movie is specifically designed to reshape the mcu i don’t think it’s there to introduce these characters as long time stand-ins of the the series i don’t think that selma hayek and angelina jolie are going to be coming back anytime soon i think this is kind of a one-time thing for them and a lot of the eternals characters however i do think that uh kit harington’s black knight is going to be coming back and then i also think that they’re going to explain the potential for x-men because at one point in the trailer they talk about how the snap uh had enough energy to awaken the deviants and i think that is also going to tie in with one division and how the mine stone unlocked her scarlet witch power not the deviants vincent what they’re talking about is the celestial egg that’s what that energy is about it’s about uh that cosmic energy that they talked about in the one division series with darcy where they were talking about this is the energy from like the big bang or whatever you know yeah um that energy from the snaps was enough to um incubate the uh the the celestial egg on earth that’s always been on earth to where it reached a level of like actually becoming a celestial like being born oh okay well that’s what they’re talking about in the trailer when um icarus says to um sama hayek how long do we have and she says five days she’s saying we have five days until the actual birth of like a celeste deal oh okay which i could i thought it was the deviance that they had awakened i guess it was wrong no the deviants are always there but regardless of that i think that same energy that was caused by the snaps is what’s going to awaken the x gene in people i feel like the x gene was always always there but they hadn’t awakened the mutation yet be and it will happen because of the radiation from the snaps it could be any one of them it could be multiple of them but um seeing uh monica rambo walk through the radiation in wan division turn her into photon or spectrum depending on which one they’re going to want to go with i think that plus the fact that the mind stone unlocked wanda’s powers is enough of um facts and evidence that’s going to show that the x-men are going to be caused by this radiation as well i agree with you vincent but here’s the thing this is where things get tricky how do you then still explain logan wolverine and professor x having st having been mutants for decades you know what i mean like yeah how do you play wolverine fighting in like all those wars like the civil war the world you know world war one world war two and everything and being a mutant then well the good thing about being the marvel cinematic universe is that they’re not specifically following that kind of stuff in the comics um so the mutants per se haven’t really existed up until now they didn’t even really say mutation up until shang chi i think yes if you don’t establish logan wolverine’s character in the mcu as the same one from project weapon x as like deadpool you know what i mean and captain america like the warped version of the of the super soldier serum that then evolves into weapon x you know what i mean and like yeah it was wolverine his edmontanium skeleton and his and his adamtanium claws and everything if you don’t follow that trajectory with his backstory that takes away quite a bit of the uh the whole lore of the character yeah could you i definitely agree with you there and it kind of feels like marvel has themselves between a rock and a hard place because they haven’t owned all of the ips um due to selling them off to fox and sony and if anybody can figure it out though right it’s kevin feige at marvel studios right they’ll make it work theoretically so they’ll make it work i mean that’s the thing right yeah i don’t know like they they’re good i mean i’m i’m i’m only so good at theorizing but i have a feeling that it’s probably going to be something like you said they’re going to use this eternals film and this event to influence the x gene but at the same time they’re going to come up with their own wrinkles to explain everything else and it’s all going to work yeah it’s going to work we’re going to be happy with it it’s going to be fine as long as they don’t do the freaking multiverse with the x-men because i just i just don’t want that to happen it’s not organic you know what i mean like it’s not yeah it would make no sense especially from a comic book standpoint right but anyways look vincent since we lost cyber he just disappeared on us um which is okay it happens uh we can handle it we’re big boys yeah why don’t we go ahead and wrap things up because the thing is is if i can keep the show under two hours it makes it easier for me to be able to um rip clips of the audio from the podcast on headliner you know and be able to like use them for promotion if you go over two hours headliner won’t let you do it so well i can see the little timer in the corner says you have about four minutes left so go ahead let me go ahead and go to you first um do you want to shout out anybody or do you want to talk about anything having to do with when you went on your little trip earlier you know with the uh the harry potter deal and everything and whatnot if there’s anything you want to talk about or plug go ahead what i’ll do is i’ll plug the shows that i am in in vancouver washington if you happen to be living in the portland vancouver gresham beaverton area then come on over to vancouver and come see our pacific stage works versions of puffs and every christmas story ever told i am starring in puffs myself and then i am also going to be directing every christmas story ever told so if you happen to be around that area look up pacificstageworks.org and come see our shows that’s it vincent that’s all i’m going to do for now i’m not really trying to do a whole lot on social media the humble guy here folks i gotta be honest with you this is a very humble guy right here and i like this guy he’s a good friend of mine and a good friend of the mcu’s bleeding edge and he always brings professionality to the show you know like appreciate it you know i i we we enjoyed having um you know token and jay on earlier and whatnot it didn’t work out um but the fact of the matter is is that um at least we can rely on guests like vincent to come in bring their a-game you know uh have a level head and contribute effectively and professionally which you do visit um thank you and you know that’s why um i had to just go ahead and close out um our other guests earlier because we just have a certain level of uh adulthood on this show that we kind of like to have and if you’re all like wi-fi is in and out and everything and whatnot you’re not going to be very effective on here so yeah it makes it difficult to be a part of the show it does but no vincent thank you very much for coming back i’m really glad we were able to have you on for thor because just so you know folks all of you who end up watching this as a video when this goes out on youtube vincent and i when we first started talking and first became friends he told me he wanted to be on thor yep and i don’t i’m not trying to act like i’m a hero here or whatever but i’ll tell you one thing i do care about people and i care about my guests personally and i really make an effort to try to be friends with them and vincent knows i stayed in touch with him the whole time and let him know i’d make sure that i got him on this review so i really appreciate how much you’ve done for us it’s really cool well vincent you know what man i love having you on your spot here is always open so you know i mean you do a great job and uh i mean obviously your training and everything and whatnot is very evident you know i mean you speak very well you’re very concise um but listen for cybernetic shark um for perry ramsay uh who is like in and out on the mcu’s bleeding edge roster these days um for me jeff true knowledge uh in the house i just want to say that we appreciate all of you who end up watching this video on youtube on dailymotion on any of the platforms once this ends up stopped being live and ends up being a regular video all of you catch us on the podcast we love you we appreciate all of you please subscribe to our youtube channel we need all the individual support we can get it’s hard to grow a new channel we want to compete with the best so we just need a little bit of help from you know from our fans um we love all of you and have a wonderful evening afternoon morning whatever it is wherever you’re at peace out